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Determined, driven, focused and obedient he will give all for his fellow Marines and Sgt.

Determined, driven, focused and obedient he will give all for his fellow Marines and Sgt.


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Who is this guy!?!

In unifrom or ready for PT it doesn’t matter. he’s always up to give his Sgt his all.


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Thinking of crossing the Sgt in from of his men? think agian.

Thinking of crossing the Sgt in from of his men? think agian.


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Someone clearly hadn’t expected to get caught sneaking a pipe and doesn’t know how to re

Someone clearly hadn’t expected to get caught sneaking a pipe and doesn’t know how to react to the Sgt walking up to him. Unlike his fellow recruit who remembers that pipes are a part of their training.


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His Sgt’s voice in his ears and his pup on his lap, perfect way to spend the afternoon between

His Sgt’s voice in his ears and his pup on his lap, perfect way to spend the afternoon between missions.


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Concept: Neither Gabe or Jack wanted to be Strike Commander because they knew it would involve a lot of sitting under a public microscope and trying not to offend everyone in the world at once. When people talk about it driving a rift between them it wasn’t because Gabe was jealous, it was because Jack was getting crushed by the stress.

I really like this theory!

I think Gabe was smart enough to realize that a military team with a U.N. babysitter would be more of a poster child for eating your vegetables and being nice to your neighborhood police officer and 100% wanted nothing to do with it, but the whole original Strike Team understood that if they weren’t at the head of the spear they would be replaced by someone more malleable. 

Jacks pre-fall biop says he was a ‘act-first, think-later people-person’ with a knack for inspiring people. It made sense to have him lead the charge because he was likeable but also trustworthy. 

Of course anyone who’s had to be in charge of a team before would understand that you can’t keep a tight ship and be everyone’s friend as well and that probably really got to Jack. He suddenly had to weigh the responsibilities of Overwatch to the world and his teams moral compass (and his own). 

Gabriel having a more of a ‘get the job done, understand the costs, remember your priorities and plan around them’ mindset would have made him a great Strike Team leader (though maybe not the face of global peace).

With two very different jobs and goals that conflicted and distanced them it’s quite easy to see how it all fell down the well. 

 I want to explain why I think this is so good from a military perspective because this has been bugging me for ages. I haven’t seen any posts really taking an in depth look at Jack and Gabe’s military history (if someone has point me to it please). As a former US military member this aspect of the characters are important, at least to me. If you join at a young age, as Jack did and possibly Gabriel, the military shapes you as a person. 

With that in mind…

Gabriel is genius level smart, he’d have to be to outsmart God programs which I feel like are mini Skynets bent on fighting for their right to exist. (I mean from D.Va’s background we know there’s one still submerged in the ocean waters popping out every few years to reign destruction after rebuilding itself. Like how is that not completely terrifying! I’m not even sure they destroyed it yet.) 

So of course when Overwatch is made public he sees where this is going instantly. Heknows what he is good at and what he likes. For the past 5 or so years it took to end the Omnic Crisis he ran his team as he pleased, most likely with little to no red tape to get the job done. To end the war

Now Gabriel has to handle the notion that he and his super secret squirrel team will be wrapped up with red tape. This is a death sentence to black/special ops agents especially after getting a taste of freedom from a chain of command. Coupled with the fact his enemies/targets are no longer going to just be robots (I’m being general because discussion of the morality/ethics of killing sentient constructs is for another time), they are going to be after humans now because the world is trying to rebuild itself, to include organized crime. He can’t do what he is good at if he is in the spotlight. He probably can’t even do what he is good at with his original team now that the objectives have changed (morality/ethics discussion again). 

What could Gabriel do? Recommend Jack or even Ana for Strike Commander. Argues to the UN that he is better in the shadows as he has been for the past 5 or so years. Or do something that would tarnish himself in their eyes. This is a smart move career-wise and I feel like it’s one he used before.

Because…. (here comes the military perspective)

Gabriel is said to have been “ a senior officer in the US military”. This can mean a few things, since there are 3 ways in which he can be considered senior.

1.Jr. vs. Sr. ranks - Ranks have a “scale” where some are considered Jr. to others collectively such as 1st and 2nd Lt. with Capt. in a grey area. Because at the rank of Major you’re an O4 out of O6, after that you get into General status. So being around the ranks of Major, Lt. Colonel and Colonel he’d definitely be a senior officer. 

2.Time in Rank - Who ever has held a rank longer is senior to those who haven’t. This helps keep a pecking order when someone comes up in rank faster than usual. If Gabriel had maintained a rank for more time than his peers he would be senior.

3.Time in Service - The longer you are in the military the more seniority you get. This mainly backs up Time in Rank seniority but can on its own weigh heavily depending on the circumstance.

Now comes the questionable math and an equivocal timeline. I’ll be using this timeline that seems fairly decent. So take this all with a grain of salt, I’ll be adding a +/- 2 years for a warm and fuzzy.

The Crisis started with Gabriel was around 26-28, a year later he is in SEP, 4 years after that Overwatch is formed. Even using the high end in age, early 30s, there is no way he is a senior officer by the Jr. vs. Sr. ranks criteria. He just hasn’t had enough time to reach those ranks and time is the key factor since someone can’t be promoted unless they have maintained a lower rank for a minimum set of time and evaluations to pass. Unless there are mass casualties where most of the military is decimated…

Due to his genius he could have obtained a degree early (starting college course while in high school or some accelerated plan) and became an officer at around 18-20 giving him around 7-8 years to acquire some time in rank.

However, what I think is more likely is that Gabriel enlisted right out of high school or at 17 with permission. During his first enlistment he did classes and got his degree then did an enlisted to officer program that various military branches have set up. This would make him senior in time in rank and time in service, with the added caveat that he would be a Mustang, an officer that is prior enlisted, which gives him a lot of respect. 

Here is the tricky part, he can’t advance too quickly. In order to stay in a rank where he can be in command of a team rather than a group of teams he has to sabotage himself. I’ve personally since this before. Sergeants getting low scores in fitness tests or doing something stupid on purpose so they will get a bad review so they won’t get promoted. 

They do this because they love the rank they are at, the ability to act with their team still. If they got promoted too high they would shift into the realm of bureaucracy, of politics and rolls of red tape. They get chained to a desk and can’t go out into the field anymore and they are no longer part of the team they are an obstacle now.

 Gabrielknows that would happen to him if he took command of Overwatch. He wouldn’t be able to do what he is good at, where he thrives. He happily goes to Blackwatch, but it comes at a cost. Jack gets thrown under the bus and shoved into the spotlight then comes the fallout decades later.

@lurkingminx- I don’t know a damn thing about Overwatch, but I do know the military.  And from what you’re saying here, I’d have a few things to add in.  I fully agree on the various forms of seniority, although I’d bring in the Company/Field/General distinction.  I’d agree that Major (O-4) is the first officer rank that anyone would consider “senior”, although it’s more like Lieutenant Colonel (”light colonel”, styled “colonel”, if you’re curious) where it would be seriously considered that.  Also, to fill in some background, by FEDERAL LAW one can not become a Major without ten years in service, although there are some exceptions which bring the time in service requirement down to nine.

More importantly, the officer track is pretty damn soul-sucking.  An individual like you’re describing wouldn’t last on the officer track.  Especially coming from a Mustang background.  Hell, one of my best CO’s was an SSG in Ranger Batt, then went officer, and he considered it punishment to be sent to be a commander of a mechanized (re-flagged as light) infantry company.  Also, despite his impressive background, he was never considered a senior officer.  Other COs would tread lightly around him, but from an external standpoint, nope.  The officer track has too many administrative requirements and “broadening positions”.  What you’re forgetting is the SOCOM route.

I can’t speak to SEALs or Raiders, but I’m fairly familiar with the various Army routes, and oh man they’d be perfect for an ambitious, intelligent, physically fit hard charging motherfucker.

There’s two really good routes for this, considering an enlistment at 17 or 18 with and end target age of 31-33, with a consideration of “senior officer”, giving us 13 to 16 years to play with.  

The first, which I’d honestly consider slightly less likely, is Special Forces, Green Berets.  There’s a process, called the X-Ray pipeline, where someone can enlist directly to become a Green Beret.  It’s unusual for someone so young to get selected and make it through, but it’s possible, especially for intelligent, socially adept people- maybe I’m a little bitter, but most other career tracks are a little more mediocrity driven.  So at 19, he gets to his A-Team (yes, that’s a real military term, ODA), and stands out as an excellent soldier, team player, and small group leader.  So, he’s a huuuuge standout, kicking ass etc, and gets promoted to Staff Sergeant two years later at 22.  Now this can go a few different ways, although they end up at the same place.  Maybe he gets switched to a B-Team (ODB), which is a more administrative position, or he continues in an ODA, and makes his 7-in-7 (Sergeant First Class in under eight years).  So now he’s probably a Senior Team member, and looks around, and he’s in a mentoring position, maybe he’s had a taste of military administrative positions and doesn’t like it (They’re FUCKING SHIT- if you’re in the military and are good with computers, don’t let ANYONE FUCKING KNOW).  So anyway, somewhere along the line, he looks around and realizes that he has no desire to get stuck pushing papers, so drops a packet for Warrant Officer.  SF Warrant Officers are second in command of an ODA, but typically have more experience than the (commissioned) officer in command of the team, and have spent more time on a specific ODA than fucking anyone else, and in may ways are the heart of a team.  The absolute earliest he could do this, in theory, is immediately after he gets his E6, but it would be more likely that he gets it around 25-28, giving him another six to eight years to rack up various types of seniority and experience and reputation.  To be honest, this gives him some spare time to have attempted college, disliked it, gotten a little more mature, and then enlisted in the 18X pipeline. 

The second is the Ranger/Cool Army Guys pipeline. In this one, he enlists at 17-18, but all full of youthful ignorance and immortality, he signs an 11V contract, Airborne Ranger.  He gets through RASP less than a year later, deploys pretty quickly, and goes to Ranger School.  Of course he breezes through it, with a good head on his shoulders pushing through an incredibly physically punishing course.  Maybe he has another deployment or two, and he’s made his way up the ranks.  Let’s say he’s still fast tracking and makes his E6/SSG around 23-24.  At some point, a dude with a beard and long hair taps him on the shoulder and says “Hi, I’m from Delta Force/Assymetric Warfare Group/Some Other JSOC Group, and we’re inviting you to try out.”  Of course Gabe jumps at this chance, although he’s got a moment of regret leaving the Rangers that he’s lead and mentored and become closer to than his family.  In these roles, it’s fairly likely that he’s not actually an officer, but due to the relatively hush-hush nature of those assignments, it would be incredibly easy for a journalist to just call him a “Senior Officer”.  Consider Black Hawk Down and how the Delta Force Operators in that were treated by the other troops.

A third possibility would be Marine Gunner or Infantry Weapons Officer, but that takes 16 years to even become eligible for so it’s unlikely.

So these are ways that he could make it, keeping that kind of personality of taking care of the dudes to his left and right and under him, without being separated from the front line operations that he’d crave.  And frankly, from a combat arms background, make him even more impressive and respectable, without the bullshit excuses of holding himself back.

Yesss! Thank you, I was trying to figure out how to work in the special forces side of it all but the post was already so long….

I was also trying to keep it simple for nonmilitary people and because it’s about a fictional character in a video game in the future where robots have souls Gabe can suck up to regenerate and I can’t account for whatever changes a robot apocalypse might bring the US and its military.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And you’re SO FUCKING RIGHT NEVER EXPOSE YOUR COMPUTER SKILLS EVER. 

I love everyone in this fandom and even those military guys not in the fandom but still contributing. Thanks for the insights, guys!

Photographer: Frank HurleyYear: UnknownLocation: PalestineDescription: Transportation of weapons and

Photographer:Frank Hurley

Year:Unknown

Location:Palestine

Description:Transportation of weapons and war supplies to Australian troops down a road with the view of the Jordan Valley in the background.

Source: Mitchell Library, State Library of New South Wales


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Photographer: Sergey Prokudin-GorskyYear: 1915Location: Kyappesel’ga, RussiaDescription: Austro-Hung

Photographer:Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky

Year:1915

Location:Kyappesel’ga, Russia

Description:Austro-Hungarian war captives pose with their Russian camp guards for a photograph in front of their wooden barrack at a prisoner of war camp in Kyappesel’ga, Russia. The prisoners are flanked on the left by two Russian soldiers, one of whom is shouldering a rifle, and on the right by a gendarme in a black uniform.

Source:Library of Congress/World Digital Library


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Photographer: Frank HurleyYear: 1918Location: Belah, PalestineDescription: The campsite of the Austr

Photographer:Frank Hurley

Year:1918

Location:Belah, Palestine

Description:The campsite of the Australian 4th Light Horse Brigade situated amongst the sand hills in Belah, Palestine on February 1918.

Source:Mitchell Library, State Library of New South Wales


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Photographer: Frank HurleyYear: 1917Location: PalestineDescription: Fighter planes parked outside th

Photographer:Frank Hurley

Year:1917

Location:Palestine

Description:Fighter planes parked outside the hangar of the 1st Squadron of the Australian Flying Corps in Palestine.

Source:Mitchell Library, State Library of New South Wales


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greatwarincolour:Two soldiers release a pigeon with a message from their trench. Taken May 1917.Orig

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Two soldiers release a pigeon with a message from their trench. Taken May 1917.

Original image source: Library and Archives Canada


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greatwarincolour:A father helps his son draw a French flag. Taken March, 1917.Source: Canadian Libra

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A father helps his son draw a French flag. Taken March, 1917.

Source:Canadian Library and Archives


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Photographer: Paul CastelnauYear: 1917Location: Saint-Folquin, FranceDescription: Curious children w

Photographer:Paul Castelnau

Year: 1917

Location: Saint-Folquin, France

Description: Curious children watch as the French Admiral Ronarc'h decorates his marines on a grassy field in the background, during a military ceremony in Saint-Folquin on September 10th, 1917.

Source:ECPAD


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Photographer: Jean-Baptiste TournassoudYear: UnknownLocation: AlgeriaDescription: Soldiers of the Fr

Photographer: Jean-Baptiste Tournassoud

Year:Unknown

Location:Algeria

Description: Soldiers of the French 3rd Zouaves Regiment do their laundry at a wash-house in Algeria.

Source:ECPAD


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Photographer: UnknownYear: 1919Location: London, United KingdomDescription: Large outdoor crowds and

Photographer:Unknown

Year:1919

Location: London, United Kingdom

Description: Large outdoor crowds and curious onlookers in flag-draped buildings watch as a procession of soldiers and tanks march and drive through the streets of Knightsbridge during the London Victory Parade on July 19th, 1919.

Source:Canadian Content/Mark Simner


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greatwarincolour:A young girl leads Canadian soldiers down Rue de Rempart in Valenciennes, France

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A young girl leads Canadian soldiers down Rue de Rempart in Valenciennes, France in November, 1918.

Original image source: Canadian Library and Archives


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Photographer: Jean-Baptiste TournassoudYear: 1917Location: UnknownDescription:  Dia Bagou, a French 

Photographer: Jean-Baptiste Tournassoud

Year:1917

Location:Unknown

Description:  Dia Bagou, a French Senegalese soldier from the class of 1912, poses against a fence for an autochrome photograph by Jean-Baptiste Tournassoud.

Source:ECPAD


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