#comparative mythology

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So while researching for this Mega-Post (which will probably become one part of many), I’ve found that myths, legends and folklore as a whole is really just a cool thing to read about.

There’s so much creativity and wonder in every myth, and it’s been super fun to find story elements that have persisted all the way to the modern day.

With that said, and wait for it: Making a D&D Setting can be really really tiring.

So, after rediscovering my love of mythology, I thought I’d take a new approach to all this: Using “Comparative Mythology”.

“Wait! What’s Comparative Mythology?” I hear you ask. Well Comparative Mythology is when you compare myths from different cultures and identify all the things they share.

So let’s start this Mega-Post by ending this long-winded intro and getting to the whole point of this: The Common Myths!

The Creation of Mankind from Clay

The creation of man from clay is a thing that recurs throughout a bunch of world religions and mythologies. In this Myth, Mankind is created from dust, clay or earth by a single deity.

• In Greek Mythology, Prometheus molded men out of water and earth.
• In Egyptian Mythology, one of the several ‘Creator Gods’, called Ptah, is a Potter who fashions the bodies of humans (and some Gods) from clay.

The Theft of Fire

The theft of fire for humanity is another that recurs in many world mythologies. Where a deity, sometimes the deity of earth, the forge, or the deity that actually created Mankind, steals a portion of the Sun or a Magical Heavenly Flame and gives it to humanity so they don’t freeze to death or starve because they can’t cook their food.

• Probably the most famous version of this Myth comes from Greek Mythology, where the Titan Prometheus stole the heavenly fire of the gods and gave it to humanity, the thing he created from clay, so they could build their first civilisation.

The Great Flood

Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood that leaves only one survivor or a group of survivors. Sometimes the Flood is meant to restart the world, defeat a great evil, or as a punishment to Mankind for some known or unknown thing.

• In the Hebrew Bible, probably the most famous example of this, God sends down a global flood that wipes out humanity, with only one man surviving and saving the world’s species by taking them aboard a giant boat.
• In Greek Mythology, a Myth says that Zeus, Head of the Gods, sent down a great storm to flood the world after people started trying to sacrifice humans to him, which was completely against the Greek Laws of Hospitality and a big ol’ no-no in the eyes of Zeus.

The Dying-And-Rising God

Many Myths feature a God or Goddess who dies somehow and returns to life thanks to the help of the other Gods.

• In Egyptian Mythology, Osiris, who was slain by his brother Seth, was brought back to life by his sisters Isis and Nephtys. Osiris eventually became the ‘King of the Dead’ while his Son became ‘King of the Living’, which may have something to do with a Father-like Figure giving power to their Son, which is another theme that pops up in a few cultures…
• In Greek Mythology, it’s Adonis, a beautiful man born from his Mother that just so happened to be turned into a tree. But after being left in a Forest by Aphrodite and told to avoid any wild Boars (also known as Ares in disguise), Adonis immediately decided to do the opposite and hunt down the wild Boar (also known as Ares, the God of War). The fight didn’t really go in Adonis’ favour, and after Aphrodite found out, she stormed into the Underworld and demanded her Boyfriend back, and eventually Zeus got involved, deciding to split the Year in two, the warmer months (summer and spring) where Adonis would be with Aphrodite, and the colder months (autumn and winter) where Adonis would go back into the Underworld. This is why Adonis is associated so much with spring, renewal and rebirth.

The Creative Sacrifice

Many cultures have stories about divine figures whose death creates a certain part of reality. 

These myths seem especially common among cultures that are farmers or have agriculture as a major part of their society.

• In Norse Mythology, the First Giant, known as Ymir or ‘The Cosmic Giant’ was killed to create the World of Norse Myth.
• In Aztec Myth, after Huitzilopochtli kills his sister Coyolxauhqui and his 400 brothers, Coyolxauhqui’s severed head becomes the moon, and her 400 dead brothers become the stars in the night sky.
• In Greek Mythology, when the many-eyed Giant Argus was slain by Hermes, Argus’ eyes were transferred by Hera to the tail of the peacock, hence the beautiful tail feathers of a peacock!

The Seat of the World

The seat of the world is usually noted as a place that sits at the centre of the world and acts as a point of contact between different levels of the universe: Usually Heaven, Earth and the Underworld.

And as a small Sidenote, there’s a LOTof mythologies and world religions that use a giant ‘Cosmic Tree’ to represent the seat of the world, and they usually describe it as “a great tree joining heaven, earth, and the underworld”, with branches that reach the Heavens and whose roots that reach the Underworld.

• In Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist Mythology, Mount Meru (also recognised as Sumeru, Sineru or Mahāmeru), is a sacred five-peaked mountain, and is considered to be the centre of all universes, both physical and spiritual.
• In Norse Mythology, Yggdrasil is an immense mythical cosmic tree that connects the Nine Worlds of Norse Cosmology.
• In Greek Mythology, the “Seat of the World” was the City of Delphi, the literal centre of the Greek Mythological World. Delphi was almost always seen as “the belly-button of the world”, with many tales surrounding the famous Oracle of Delphi. You could also consider Mount Olympus to be a sort-of “Seat of the World” too, since that’s the famous place where only the Gods lived…

The Ideal God

This is usually referring to a King, Queen or some kind of Head of a Pantheon, a God to rule the Gods.

Even actual Official D&D Settings do this by having an ‘Overgod’.

• In Norse Mythology, Odin is the Leader of the Gods.
• In Greek Mythology, Zeus is Head of the Gods, though Hera (his Wife) also has some influence on the Pantheon.
• In Roman Mythology, which is extremely similar to Greek Mythology, they have Jupiter as the Head of the Pantheon and King of the Gods.
• In Egyptian Mythology, Ra is Head of the Pantheon, though some interpretations vary on his actual name.

And as a side-note, it seems most ‘Head of the Pantheon’ Gods are male with some sort of connection to the Sky, the Sun, or Storms, and are often extremely wise or extremely powerful, usually depicted as extremely ripped and wielding big ol’ stabby weapons…

And weirdly enough, most have some sort of connection to birds, I can’t really find out where that comes from, but it’s cool nonetheless.

The War with the Titans

This is usually the Myth that creates the “Official Pantheon” for a Place’s Religion. The Titans (or sometimes called Primordials, beings that represent chaotic and destructive elements like Fire and Lightning) fight the Gods, sometimes a few Gods die, but the Gods always win.

• Again, the most famous version of this Myths is In Greek Mythology, where the Titanomachy was a ten-year series of battles consisting mostly of the Titans fighting the Olympian Gods and their allies. This event is also known as the War of the Titans, Battle of the Titans, Battle of the Gods, or just The Titan War, which is just a cool name in general…

Gargantuan Giants

By“Gargantuan Giants”, I mean Gargantuan compared to Humans, who in most cultures were less than 6 Feet Tall, so sometimes Giants were as short of 8 Feet, and others they are quite literally the size of the Universe…

• In Greek Mythology, there’s the myth of Ourion (or more commonly known as ‘Orion’) the Giant, a Huntsman famous for being placed among the stars as the constellation of Orion. There’s also the Hecatonchires, also known as the Hundred-Handed Giants, as well as the Myth of the Cyclopes and a bunch of other Gods and Demigods who are described as “Giant” in size.
• In Norse Mythology, there’s dozens of famous giants, also known as Jotuun in some texts. From Surtur, the fire giant that leads his kin into battle during Ragnarok, to the trickster giant Utgard-Loki, famous for annoying the Hel out of Thor and thoroughly embarrassing him in front of all the other giants.

Mythical Dragons and Serpents

Sometimes just large snakes and other times gigantic snakes, legendary snakes and serpent-like creatures appear in the folklore of a bunch of different cultures around the world. And speaking of Dragons, while they vary from region to region, they’re almost always depicted as gargantuan serpentine creatures with four-legs.

Mythical Serpents in Mythology

• In Egyptian Mythology, Atum shaped the world thanks to four mythical serpents. Also in Egyptian Mythology is Apophis, a gargantuan mythical serpent that symbolises chaos, who tries to eat the sun every day as part of the Journey of Ra and his Sun-Barge/Sun-Boat.
• In Greek Mythology, there’s the Lernaean Hydra, more often known simply as the Hydra, a multi-headed snake monster killed by Heracles as part of his Twelve Labours. There’s also Python, a big ol’ sea snake with the gift of prophecy, that was then promptly killed by a Baby Apollo…
• In Aztec Mythology, there’s Quetzalcoatl, a giant feathered serpent (and sometimes a dragon!) characterised as the God of Wind, the Dawn, the Planet Venus, Arts and Crafts, Wisdom and Knowledge.

And another thing, it seems some Myths depict these giant snakes as pets or living weapons used by Kings, Queens or even the Gods to keep their subjects in check.

Dragons in Mythology

• In Eastern Cultures and Mythologies, Dragons are usually depicted as wingless, four-legged, serpentine creatures with above-average intelligence and the ability to control rivers, the ocean, the wind and the weather.
• In Western Cultures and Mythologies, Dragons are often depicted as savage, winged, horned, four-legged, and capable of breathing fire.

The Myth that founds a Custom

This myth is waymore varied than the rest. Many cultures have myths describing the origin of their customs, with most societies often justifying their customs by claiming that the Gods or the Mythical Heroes of their Culture established those customs.

The Curse of Cannibalism 

Human cannibalism features in the myths, folklore, and legends of many cultures and is most often attributed to evil characters, with the idea that consuming human flesh is an evil act that usually transforms the person into a monster of some kind.

• In Greek Mythology, there exists the Lamia, a woman who became a child-eating monster after her children were destroyed by Hera after Hera learnt of her husband Zeus’ little “escapades”.
• In Native American Myth, there’s the famous Wendigo, a creature (or sometimes depicted as an evil spirit) from folklore, with some sources saying Wendigos are created when a human resorts to cannibalism to survive.

The Hero’s Adventure to save their Lover

This is usually a story of three parts: Hero gains a Lover, Lover dies through unforeseen circumstances, and finally the Hero goes on an Adventure (most commonly going to the Underworld) to meet/save/resurrect their Lover.

This Myth can also be known as the “Hero goes to the Underworld to save their Lover” Myth, which is also super common when you look at all the different world cultures.

• In an old Babylonian Myth, the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar (Goddess of Love, War and Fertility) gets trapped in the Underworld with the Queen of the Dead after trying to save her husband from the Underworld. But then Asushunamir, a gender-ambiguous individual constructed by Enki (a Babylonian Ocean God), is sent to the Underworld to save Ishtar, so I guess that’s two stories in one?
• In Japanese Mythology, Japan has two Creator Deities: Izanagi and Izanami. But after the Birth of Kagi-Tsuchi (the Fire God), Izanami dies. So Izanagi decides to just go on down to the Underworld to get her back. But after lighting a torch in the Underworld when he’s specifically told not to, Izanami is understandably peeved and sends a bunch of monsters after Izanagi to chase him down until Izanagi decides to block the entrance to the Underworld with a giant rock so no monsters get out. Yay?
• In Greek Mythology, Orpheus (one of Apollo’s kids) walks on down to the Greek Underworld to chat with Hades and maybe get his dead lover Eurydice back. Hades says “Yeah, sure bro! Just don’t look at her before you two get back to the World of the Living again, okay?” But Orpheus, like an idiot, decides to immediately do the opposite after thinking Hades is tricking him, and Eurydice is dragged back down in the Underworld to stay there forever…

The Sun gets eaten by a Giant Beast

This is usually what Cultures and World Religions use to explain celestial events such as an Eclipse.

• In Aztec Mythology, they had a God called Huitzilopochtli (Yay! I spelt it right!) who was their Sun God and God of War and Human Sacrifice.  Huitzilopochtli also had 400 Brothers and one Sister: Coyolxauhqui. After murdering his sister, Coyolxauhqui’s severed head becomes the moon and several of Huitzilopochtli’s brothers become the stars. And now the sun is constantly at risk of being devoured by the night sky and to put this all short: Huitzilopochtli is constantly fighting off the severed head of his sister (The Moon) to stop her eating/murdering the sun and the earth. FUN!
• In Norse Mythology, at some point during Ragnarok (the Norse “End of the World” Myth), the sun and moon are eaten, possibly by Fenrir, but definitely by Mythical Wolf of some variety, sources differ.
• In Egyptian Mythology, the Egyptians would pray against Apophis (the giant snake in the Underworld) to squash his nightly attempts to eat the sun as it passed through the Underworld.

And as a side-note, this one doesn’t have to be a Beast, sometimes the sun is stolen by a thief, or something happens and it’s sealed away or just straight up nopes out and disappears for a few days…

Gods named after Planets

It’s right in the name, a lot of Gods are named after Planets, Stars, Constellations and other Celestial Objects.

• In Egyptian Mythology, the Gods are actually named after the various Stars and Constellations that can be seen in Egypt’s night sky.
  
• In Roman Mythology, examples include Jupiter, Head of the Pantheon, as well as Mars the God of War, Mercury the God of Merchants, and Venus the Goddess of Love and Beauty, as well as Neptune, Saturn and More!

The Beast to be Released and Kill the World

This is usually a Wolf, Snake, or other Giant Beast that, when the Apocalypse comes, is released from whatever bindings they have and wreak havoc on the Mortal World. Sometimes the Beast is chained away or trapped in the Underworld, but other times they’re just sleeping until the Apocalypse comes knocking…

• In Egyptian Mythology, this Beast is known as Apophis, a Giant Snake trapped in the Underworld that tries every day to eat the Sun (and sometimes eat Ra too!) before Apophis is defeated by the powers of Gods and the apocalypse is stopped for another day.
• In Norse Mythology, this Beast is Fenrir, a Giant Wolf and Son of the Trickster God Loki. Fenrir is bound by a series of heavy chains, and when Ragnarok (the Norse version of the Apocalypse) comes, Fenrir will break his chains and go on a big ol’ god-killin’ spree!

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You know what I love? Calling it “Christian Mythology.” Referring to their god as “The Christian God.” Refusing to conform to the idea that their religion is any more valid than anyone else’s.

Oh, it makes them spicy. Gets them all twitchy. They wanna fistfight me in a Denny’s parking lot, but they know they can’t ‘cause I’m right.

As a Jew I think the ultimate power move is to refer to Satan/Lucifer and the saints as deities

Why not? By any reasonable definition, they make up a pantheon.

#Well that’s hilariously untrue#Also pantheon means something in religion.#It’s not just group of people lol

@drunk-on-starlight

How is it untrue? A pantheon is all of the gods of a particular people or religion. Christianity has two main gods in conflict with each other–Christ and Satan. The former is viewed as being a tri-part god with three distinct segments whose unity varies depending on denomination. And that’s fairly universal among all Christians.

But there are also saints, who can be prayed to for intercession in their domain/portfolio and have symbols and feasts dedicated to them, basically making them structurally demi-gods, in that they have divine attributes and are venerated in a divine manner.

Some of whom straight up are local pre-Christian deities. Our Lady of Guadalupe first appeared, Spanish name and all, on a hill where Spanish conquerors had destroyed a temple of Tonantzin. Brigid of Kildare didn’t even change Her name.

Technically, the Christian god is entirely bastardized from an earlier (but still quite alive) religion.

From which religion? I know that many of their festivals derive from pre-existing ones.

Judaism. They swiped the Tanakh wholesale and started rewriting it as “oh, it’s about this one specific dude.” At the same time they introduced things into their worship like venerating human sacrifice and the ritual drinking of blood, one of which is said in Torah to be abhorrent to G-d and one of which is very explicitly theft from G-d (to whom all blood belongs). Later splinters of Christianity say the ritual of drinking “blood” (wine) is merely symbolic, but Catholic tradition has held for 2000 years that no, the wine actually becomes the blood of human sacrifice when you drink it.

I mean, I’m not Christian, but q bunch of stuff that’s said in this post is grosely untrue amd just based on what y'all hear about christianty from weird pseudo Christians that think Satan Is a god

Like, I’m not saying that there’s no Christians who believe all of this stuff said here, but for example a lot of modern Catholics really just don’t know jackshit about their own religion and just spout bs and then people pick that up and say “this is Christianity”

I think the intent of the post is to exaggerate different aspects of Christianity, to satirize it. Yes, Satan is not defined as a god, but many people seem to treat him as if he has a great deal of power, which draws the comparison to opposing deities in other religions.

What would you define as real Christianity if it is not the Christianity many people practice?

There’s also the difference between theological statements and anthropological analysis.

According to Christian doctrine, is Satan another god? No (but with an asterisk that he can be worshiped and is worshiped by evil people)

Are the saints gods? No… but people do pray to them for intercession.

But if you look at Christianity as Just Another Religion that isn’t any more special than any other and look at it through the lens of religious anthropological study at the actual practices of those who identify as Christians, then you find that they have a tri-part primary deity which is structurally similar to the Fates or Three Faces of Eve at the head of a pantheon. That tri-part head deity stands in opposition to an active and omnipresent force of destruction and evil, and depending on specific denomination, both of them might have an associated host of lesser divine servants in the forms of saints and demons that can be venerated and prayed to individually.

Structurally, it’s very similar to Zoroastrianism, and shows likely historical influence from that religion and various Roman mystery cults during the early Church period where it was a Roman mystery cult in the centuries between splintering off from Judaism and Emperor Constantine’s adoption of it.

And that’s what this post is referring to: Ultimately, Christianity is just another religion. As such, it is not immune to academic study, and it should not be treated as exempt from having its mythos and structure studied as such. (Ideally, it should be done respectfully, but given the, um, holier-than-thou attitude of the worst Christians, it can be hard to resist the urge to be belligerent and use this form of analysis to attempt to take them down a few notches).

Or you could just not be a jackass and actually study things with respect and objectivity since, y’know, the idea of insulting an entire religion because some people who follow it were mean to you is something we were supposed to have abandoned as a society decades ago.

As an agnostic, I’m fine with using the term “Christian Mythology”, provided were allowed to say “Jewish mythology” or “Muslim mythology” without idiots screeching about anti-Semitism or islamophobia

Exactly. Either the term has no offense whatsoever, or it’s insulting to any faith being practiced. Believing in either of those cases is a matter of personal morals-picking and choosing based on which religions you’re ok with insulting is just being a dick.

I feel like this is talking almost completely about Catholics and not Christianity as a whole cause I definitely don’t worship or pray to saints.

Also we share a God with Judaism? To call it bastardizing is just so.. I don’t think prejudice is the right word but definitely offensive

I’m pretty sure we also share a God with Muslims so you can’t even call Him the “the Christian God” (don’t quote me I might be wrong) since we are all abrahamic religions

Not really. Quite simply, in Judaism, God is One.

Not Three.

Also, LeMarc? On the off chance you see this, you’re definitely one of the Holier Than Thou Christians I was referring to, given your history of virulent and revolting antisemitism while simultaneously and hypocritically attempting to claim the mantle of being opposed to bigotry, and it is completely in character for you to describe centuries of persecution and massacres as “some people who follow it were mean to you”.

That being said, @ouchmaster6000, I refer to “Jewish mythology” all the time. We have a lot of it, in fact.

No He is the same God. Any scholar will tell you so. As someone else said a better way to refer to Him would be the Abrahamic God. And I looked it up we also share God with Islam. So either way you cannot say “The Christian God”

Jesus is still God. He is just an extension of God. The Holy Ghost is still God. Just an Extension. They are not three separate beings they are all part of one.

And these beliefs didn’t come into being until Jesus came to earth cause before then all the original Christians were Jews. They didn’t invent a new God 2,000 years ago it is just a different way to worship the same God.

You can’t say “Christianity came from Judaism” at the same time say “Oh no they don’t share a God”

And that’s what makes it a separate God from the theological perspective of Judaism. The Jewish God cannot be contained in human form. So the early Christians did invent a new god: Jesus. Christianity did come from Judaism, but theologically, the deities are very distinct–ask any Jewish scholar if it’s okay for a Jew to worship Jesus “because it’s the same god”.

But you’re missing the point here and I’m tired of debating with thin skinned Christians, which rather proves the point of the whole post. Blocked.