when Jabitha get their “I Love Yous” I will not be ok
this setup is INSANELY good
wow
when their love overwrites all the predetermined futures
what if their ‘I love yous’ happen when jughead inevitably dies (almost) ♀️
if a dying (but not permanently) Jughead gets cradled in Tabitha’s arms and then confesses his love for her I will never say anything bad about Riverdale ever again
when Jabitha get their “I Love Yous” I will not be ok
this setup is INSANELY good
wow
when their love overwrites all the predetermined futures
what if their ‘I love yous’ happen when jughead inevitably dies (almost) ♀️
if a dying (but not permanently) Jughead gets cradled in Tabitha’s arms and then confesses his love for her I will never say anything bad about Riverdale ever again
Think about a ‘Beauty and the Beast’ style thing where she’s cradling him and then he dies (for a second), then kisses him, and mAgIcAl LoVe saves his life ;)
I shared these thoughts on a reblog but I wanted to post again to see what others might think of this:
Okay but, has anyone noticed that all the kisses and scenes Jughead remembers are before the dreaded b/a kiss in s4?
Like they obviously kissed and more ( ) between then and the break-up, but all he saw were the untainted memories (and I also think it’s interesting that it was spliced together with the scene of Varchie kissing while b/a are the ones dating - I mean is this like a whole ‘hey I kissed Arch while y'all were dating, so fair is fair?).
So, makes me wonder if there is a clue hidden there or if I’m just giving these writers WAAAAY to much credit.
Cause listen, we saw last season that Jughead willing forgave her (and yes he was high but the drugs just kinda made his feelings come to the surface).
In a previous post I shared from @scratchtovoid about s6 and the alternate timeline and all the hints they are throwing at us that 6b Riverdale is also a different reality it got me thinking about a few things.
First off, a recap: Okay, so we know from the first 5 episodes that a new reality was created by an explosion. Everyone assumed that the explosion was Hiram’s bomb under the bed. But Archie says HE was there at the creation (check the previous post, it’s all explained there).
So that is the hint as to when the first alt-reality was created: at the explosion in the mines. The bomb under the bed creates another universe too (My theory is RD2 was created by the first and Vale was from the second). So that’s two (which I’d be surprised if we didn’t discover there is another alt-reality since we have had three explosions so far).
The fact that the realities are split could explain why the characters don’t remember certain things (like their relationships, origin stories, etc), because these versions only remember from the point of creation and then on. The memories from the real Riverdale are blocked cause it’s not their reality. (And Vale being so weird would make sense if it was a copy of a copy of the real timeline, js).
Now, I said all that to say this: the original explosion in the mine happened in the middle of the episode where we find Polly’s remains and learn about the killer hillbilly mothmen, right? Well, if the explosion is when they split, the logic of multiverses would tell us that EVERYTHING that happened (the things we saw in the show), happen in the RD2 timeline and not in the OG timeline.
Including the entirety of the whole conclusion of the mothmen/Polly arc.
Which means, those things may not have happened in the real Riverdale and the trucker killers and Polly could still be out there. (They also now have a way for Hiram to still be up and kicking instead of sleeping with the fishes).
Look, I apologize for the long post but ever since I read that post and started looking at all the pieces, this has been stuck in my brain and I had to see if it made any sense to anyone else or if this is all just a crazy theory fueled by a lack of sleep and too much coffee?
Yup!
I’ve been thinking this is how this whole thing ends. The essentially get a second chance to save Polly. And they find her alive.
This would give the whole parallel universe plot a reason. And give the characters an emotional win.
And we already saw Betty and Alice mourn I don’t think they would go back to a point in time where we would have to go back to that emotional beat.
Ooooooooo, that is a very good point!
Also, this would mean that Veronica didn’t really kill her ex either. Since he died after the first explosion.
In a previous post I shared from @scratchtovoid about s6 and the alternate timeline and all the hints they are throwing at us that 6b Riverdale is also a different reality it got me thinking about a few things.
First off, a recap: Okay, so we know from the first 5 episodes that a new reality was created by an explosion. Everyone assumed that the explosion was Hiram’s bomb under the bed. But Archie says HE was there at the creation (check the previous post, it’s all explained there).
So that is the hint as to when the first alt-reality was created: at the explosion in the mines. The bomb under the bed creates another universe too (My theory is RD2 was created by the first and Vale was from the second). So that’s two (which I’d be surprised if we didn’t discover there is another alt-reality since we have had three explosions so far).
The fact that the realities are split could explain why the characters don’t remember certain things (like their relationships, origin stories, etc), because these versions only remember from the point of creation and then on. The memories from the real Riverdale are blocked cause it’s not their reality. (And Vale being so weird would make sense if it was a copy of a copy of the real timeline, js).
Now, I said all that to say this: the original explosion in the mine happened in the middle of the episode where we find Polly’s remains and learn about the killer hillbilly mothmen, right? Well, if the explosion is when they split, the logic of multiverses would tell us that EVERYTHING that happened (the things we saw in the show), happen in the RD2 timeline and not in the OG timeline.
Including the entirety of the whole conclusion of the mothmen/Polly arc.
Which means, those things may not have happened in the real Riverdale and the trucker killers and Polly could still be out there. (They also now have a way for Hiram to still be up and kicking instead of sleeping with the fishes).
Look, I apologize for the long post but ever since I read that post and started looking at all the pieces, this has been stuck in my brain and I had to see if it made any sense to anyone else or if this is all just a crazy theory fueled by a lack of sleep and too much coffee?
This is a whatever post of stuff I don’t know if I posted but I definitely said in DMs. I’m pretty confident on theories this season.
1. The entirety of Season 6 takes place in 2 parallel universes neither of which is the Riverdale we watched for years.
2. The current Betty and Archie we are seeing in 6B are Betty and Archie from Vale. The current Jughead we are seeing is the Narrator. They crossed over in 605. That’s why RAS said what happened when the bomb went off is a mystery for the season.
3. Jughead can’t write because he is the Narrator. He said that himself in 605 - “I’m not the writer” - when he dies he goes to Pop’s in the Sky and then to Vale. That’s why he is an extra in the universe. The original Jughead from this other Riverdale is currently living life in Vale.
4. Both universes are in a loop. Changes can be made but the stories are following the same script. That’s why Vale and Dale keep having parallel but mixed up in some way - different characters with the same stories. Or similar outcomes but the events leading up to them change.
5. The recording that Tabitha hears on the radio is Writer Jug (in Vale) calling Betty to warn her to get out of the house. She picks the signal up bc this is a looped transmission. Jughead can’t call someone in another universe directly but he sent out a signal somehow.
6. Toni remembered her experience in Vale because she also possibly crossed over at some point? The bomb has exploded at least 3 times according to 605/6.
7. The bomb goes off multiple times because Jughead is trying to fix the universes. That’s why he wakes up in Archie’s room the first time in 605. Then the garage.
8. I think the bomb in 606 is what connects Vale to Dale. It’s a crossover point between those universes that’s why Percival wanted to buy Archie’s house. But this bomb does not connect the two parallel universes to the real Riverdale… but something else probably does…
9. Random important clues people aren’t talking about:
- In 605 the second time the bomb goes off that we see in that particular episode Jughead wakes up with muddy feet. Toni wakes up with Fangs and then after the second bomb is with Cheryl instead. These explosions are changing the circumstances of Vale.
- We have no idea how the timelines match up but multiple characters can move around in time / know the future. In Vale Narrator Jug knows what will happen before it does. His intros to the episodes essentially prove he has already lived through those particular events. To me this suggests that the writers will be playing with our perception of time. One example of this is that if what I think is true… is true… 518-19 and 601-604 likely take place at the same time.
- In 605, Archie tells Jughead he was at the point of creation. In 601 he remembers the sound of ticking and an explosion but Betty doesn’t. He was at the explosion that caused Rivedale2 & Rivervale to exist. This makes it likely, in my opinion, that the explosion causing these universes was 517 in the mines bc Archie was at the explosion site.
- Conversely… Betty remembers being held in the explosion in 606. Archie doesn’t seem to remember beyond being in the room. This matches the blocking of the characters in 605. Narrator Jug and Betty held each other while Archie burst into the room… evidence they crossed over…
- Further evidence is the comic Narrator Jug holds at Pop’s in the Sky that says “cross over event”
- Pop’s in the Sky connects the two universes… it’s where Jug could go when he dies in “dale” and allows him to be reborn as the Narrator in Vale… on loop
- Alice “Cooper” not “Smith”
- Abigail’s back story is different but the players involved all exist
- The characters believe their powers are activated with trauma but RAS calls them gifts and as we saw last episode they seem to be able to be literally “given” to someone
- The parallel universes existed before the bomb in 519 bc it is what connected the two of them
Anyway… yeah
Okay, but y'all, can we just talk about how much sense this makes?
Like - step outta your idea of which ship is best/endgame - and really think about this from the stand point of a neutral party.
I’ll go first:
As someone who is a freaking NERD, I love all things sci-fi and fantasy so this -to me- completely makes sense. It’s just the kinda concept that fans like me would eat up.
As a writer, I can see what the writers would be trying to show (although POORLY) and how they’re trying to give us that twisty, turny, psychological mindf*ck like they did in season 4 when they drug out the ‘is Jughead dead’ story, but unfortunately it’s falling flat because they are being too subtle.
Not everyone picks up subtle little easter eggs and underlaying hints, even if that had been something the show has been well known for in the past (the nods to TV/cinema and the comicverse being the most present in my mind)
I have been saying all season that Archie being in the mines and the events after are going to come into play. If you really think about it, that’s when the OOC stuff started so it would be the perfect place to explain the origins of the creation of the words and why the bomb under the bed can’t be stopped, only the circumstances modified. Because it never happened in the real Riverdale.
This is the director of 6 x 21 wrap post, the rest is pretty much the normal cast and crew.
I said it a few weeks ago and imma say it again, I’d put money on the fact that they are gonna go back to the mine explosion in 5x17 (or before even) and negate everything up until now.
No new ships, no crazy storylines, no superpowers.
It’s gonna either be a reset by help of supernatural means (Sabrina most likely) or everything that happened was a hallucination/fever dream that Archie had while trapped in the mines.
I’ve seen this trope several times before in shows when they wanna correct canon, just saying…
OH GOD I HAVE A THEORY. SUCH A THEORY! This is a big one, I need to rewatch 100, I can’t keep it to myself, but I literally don’t have time right now. AAAAAAAAAA. Give me time, somebody!
I NEED THIS THEORY CAUSE NOW I’M INVESTED JUST FROM YOUR EXCITEMENT ALONE!
@scratchtovoid posted a bts photo with Erinn, who has brown hair. I thought, yeah, they’re going back to Rivervale, but I gotta get it right. I turn on episode 100 to check and it hits me!
It’s so SO much to process.
At the very beginning of the episode, Tabitha has her usual black hair. After, when Jughead tells her about the comics, she is also Tabitha from Dale. At Betty’s bachelorette party and until the episode’s finale, Tabitha has Vale’s brown hair again.
What if the beginning of episode 100 is literally one of the futures in which they have already defeated Percival. Tabitha literally tells Jughead that “Well, It’s your first day back at school teaching, isn’t it?.” That is, implying that he can hear again. But THAT Jughead has never lost his hearing so he doesn’t understand this comment. What if this Jughead is really Vale Jughead while Dale Jughead is somewhere else. In a bunker? Archie strangled him? Dale Jughead is Narrator Jughead? When did they even switch places?
Tabitha also said that Jughead’s death is the key to defeating Percival. And this episode begins with the death of Jughead. So this scenario worked? Is this one of two ways to win?
I think that the theory that the characters are jumping between universes is definitely working here, and who is in which at the moment we have to figure it out. I squint hard at the completely frozen Archie in 6-16.
I think that the beginning of episode 100 is Riverdale, and then at some point it’s Rivervale again. But when exactly did this switch happen? Before a bachelorette party? When did Jughead visit Dr. Curdle jr.? That’s all there is for now. But I keep thinking about it, join in my speculation.
At the beginning of the episode the bomb goes off twice- and we see changes. Toni wakes up with Fangs and then is with Cheryl. So I think that maybe that’s when a switch could happen. I mean we know things changed.
And what you’re saying means they also changed mid-episode.
We also saw that their memories changed as the episode went on.
So yeah I think this makes sense! Maybe we were looking at different characters and didn’t know it yet.
Wait also Tabitha’s hair changed after she reads the comics… after that we see her with her Vale style…
@lockitin kindly reminded me that Waldo fired Jughead from his teaching position in 5-16 when he was away from Riverdale for a few weeks. Therefore, Tabitha’s comment in 100 most likely refers to the fact that Jughead was able to fix his life and deserve to be reinstated as a teacher. However, this does not change the fact that Jughead was surprised by this information, because apparently for him some of the events that led him to that moment in time did not happen.
Needless to say, no one in Rivervale had superpowers. Did anyone even have them, or did they already get rid of them after they defeated Percival?
And yes, hair. Riverdale is obsessed with hair. I think the hairdresser in Riverdale really is the richest man in town. A dream job when all the townspeople are so consumed with worries about their hairstyles.
What if the beginning of episode 100 is one of two ways to defeat Percival. Tabitha traveled back in time and changed something. Right after that, Betty got a haircut without any explanation. Betty has long hair in 100, so this path won’t work anymore. Maybe right now we are in the second option of victory? To be honest, this whole story with two ways of winning is very strange. That’s a lot of options for the Apocalypse. So I think one of the winning options that Tabitha saw was Rivervale.
We have a few jobs change.
Jughead magically gets his teaching job back. And Betty quit the FBI in S5 but then is back to being an agent in Vale and also the current Dale we’re seeing.
I think maybe we’re thinking of time to linearly. Because it seems 605 happens in between the moment the bomb goes off in Dale. And Percival also wanted to buy Archie’s house which could be the portal to Dale
@scratchtovoid posted a bts photo with Erinn, who has brown hair. I thought, yeah, they’re going back to Rivervale, but I gotta get it right. I turn on episode 100 to check and it hits me!
It’s so SO much to process.
At the very beginning of the episode, Tabitha has her usual black hair. After, when Jughead tells her about the comics, she is also Tabitha from Dale. At Betty’s bachelorette party and until the episode’s finale, Tabitha has Vale’s brown hair again.
What if the beginning of episode 100 is literally one of the futures in which they have already defeated Percival. Tabitha literally tells Jughead that “Well, It’s your first day back at school teaching, isn’t it?.” That is, implying that he can hear again. But THAT Jughead has never lost his hearing so he doesn’t understand this comment. What if this Jughead is really Vale Jughead while Dale Jughead is somewhere else. In a bunker? Archie strangled him? Dale Jughead is Narrator Jughead? When did they even switch places?
Tabitha also said that Jughead’s death is the key to defeating Percival. And this episode begins with the death of Jughead. So this scenario worked? Is this one of two ways to win?
I think that the theory that the characters are jumping between universes is definitely working here, and who is in which at the moment we have to figure it out. I squint hard at the completely frozen Archie in 6-16.
I think that the beginning of episode 100 is Riverdale, and then at some point it’s Rivervale again. But when exactly did this switch happen? Before a bachelorette party? When did Jughead visit Dr. Curdle jr.? That’s all there is for now. But I keep thinking about it, join in my speculation.
At the beginning of the episode the bomb goes off twice- and we see changes. Toni wakes up with Fangs and then is with Cheryl. So I think that maybe that’s when a switch could happen. I mean we know things changed.
And what you’re saying means they also changed mid-episode.
We also saw that their memories changed as the episode went on.
So yeah I think this makes sense! Maybe we were looking at different characters and didn’t know it yet.
Wait also Tabitha’s hair changed after she reads the comics… after that we see her with her Vale style…
@scratchtovoid posted a bts photo with Erinn, who has brown hair. I thought, yeah, they’re going back to Rivervale, but I gotta get it right. I turn on episode 100 to check and it hits me!
It’s so SO much to process.
At the very beginning of the episode, Tabitha has her usual black hair. After, when Jughead tells her about the comics, she is also Tabitha from Dale. At Betty’s bachelorette party and until the episode’s finale, Tabitha has Vale’s brown hair again.
What if the beginning of episode 100 is literally one of the futures in which they have already defeated Percival. Tabitha literally tells Jughead that “Well, It’s your first day back at school teaching, isn’t it?.” That is, implying that he can hear again. But THAT Jughead has never lost his hearing so he doesn’t understand this comment. What if this Jughead is really Vale Jughead while Dale Jughead is somewhere else. In a bunker? Archie strangled him? Dale Jughead is Narrator Jughead? When did they even switch places?
Tabitha also said that Jughead’s death is the key to defeating Percival. And this episode begins with the death of Jughead. So this scenario worked? Is this one of two ways to win?
I think that the theory that the characters are jumping between universes is definitely working here, and who is in which at the moment we have to figure it out. I squint hard at the completely frozen Archie in 6-16.
I think that the beginning of episode 100 is Riverdale, and then at some point it’s Rivervale again. But when exactly did this switch happen? Before a bachelorette party? When did Jughead visit Dr. Curdle jr.? That’s all there is for now. But I keep thinking about it, join in my speculation.
At the beginning of the episode the bomb goes off twice- and we see changes. Toni wakes up with Fangs and then is with Cheryl. So I think that maybe that’s when a switch could happen. I mean we know things changed.
And what you’re saying means they also changed mid-episode.
We also saw that their memories changed as the episode went on.
So yeah I think this makes sense! Maybe we were looking at different characters and didn’t know it yet.
OH GOD I HAVE A THEORY. SUCH A THEORY! This is a big one, I need to rewatch 100, I can’t keep it to myself, but I literally don’t have time right now. AAAAAAAAAA. Give me time, somebody!
Ok, a few points because I’m sure you’ll figure it out before I get to the episode.
Riverdale comics in Vale are literally the thoughts of the WHOLE TOWN that Jughead is hearing right now. Not separate comics about Betty and Reggie, but about all of them together.
Jughead, who is now hiding in the bunker, is the same Jughead who wakes up in 100 and does not understand where he is. He comes home to Tabitha with dirty feet BECAUSE HE COME FROM THE BUNKER.
It’s news to him that B and A are getting married, because there just wasn’t any of that in Riverdale!
I need to sit and think about this. But for now, here’s a little of what just dawned on me.
I don’t think Agent Drake is evil. I think her paranormal/Fringe work is a reference to the actual show Fringe which was also about parallel universes and she’ll help Betty figure out the Dale/Vale thing.
He had to have slipped in somehow without us noticing
Huh, that’s even the same shirt, isn’t it?
And that answers my question about whether Jughead came downstairs in a different outfit than the one he was wearing upstairs. I couldn’t remember if only Betty’s outfit changed.
One takeaway from the 6x14 promo: Betty seems to have ditched her signature bulky sweaters in favor of sexy tops, just as she seems to be sparking up a collaboration with Jughead. But I’m sure the abrupt wardrobe shift is purely coincidental.
