What if Nene only exists because of the time paradox that she accidentally created with time travel?
We’ve seen the theory that Nene’s time travel to the living Amane changed his future, and it was pretty much confirmed that Tsukasa went back to the past to get killed after Kou told him about his fate.
We only know Amane was supposed to be a teacher, but what about the rest of the timeline? Surely Amane never becoming Hanako-san has a more profound effect on the plot. Would the mysteries exist? Who would be their leader? What about Tsukasa in the OG timeline? Would Amane ever get married and start a family in that timeline? I think it was very calculated on AidaIro’s part that the twins died fairly recently and people who would have known them could still be alive.
Tsuchigomori is an old supernatural. He knows supernaturals in the school can warp reality in a number of ways, yet he’s only seen fate changed once. There must have been a very special circumstance for that to occur.
In some twisted way, what if Nene’s parents only met as a product of the Yugi twins’ deaths? What if she’s a special being because she shouldn’t exist? If that really is the case, I expect some wild ending like Nene fixing the past and becoming a timeless entity…kind of like Madoka.
I know it sounds kinda far fetched but the Red House sucked a lot of lives into it for the last 50+ years, starting with the whole Yugi family. Considering time travel is a major part of the plot, I wouldn’t be surprised if something like this comes up.
The latest chapters got me thinking… I love HanaNene with all my heart but how will they ever be together?
I wish Hanako could come back to life but not only that sounds absurd but it also sounds unfair to Mitsuba. They are both supernaturals who died at young age, they both didn’t deserve it. If Hanako came back Mitsuba should too, and that sounds even more impossible. The only thing possible for what we have already read would be a life exchange but we saw how it went with Nene and Aoi. It’s not something acceptable.
On the other hand, having Nene die and become a supernatural, as much as I would love to see them together, doesn’t sound right too.
“Die and become a supernatural with me” that’s exactly what the fake Mitsuba said to Kou in ch.77 but it doesn’t feel like the right choice at all. The whole point that Kou makes in that chapter is that when people die (like his mother) you can only accept it and go on.
You can’t go back, it wouldn’t be right. Death is unfair but having one person die for another that you love is even worse.
But if these two options are the only one we have to see Hanako and Nene together as a couple… Is there no other ending than Nene going on with her life with living people?
I really like the topics of this manga. It’s not just supernatural being/human, it’s literally ghost/human. It talks a lot about the unfairness of death and the regrets of those who died and those who live. I really hope the mangaka can find a satysfing solution.
The difference between Mitsuba and Hanako is that Amane had a WHOLE life ahead. He wasn’t supposed to die. He somehow changed his destiny in a way we don’t even understand yet (my guess is that he changed his destiny by wishing to see Yashiro again, and the inly way for him to do that was by him dying because that’s the whole reason why they met in the first place). That means there are still years to his life span that were wasted. We don’t know if they were just destroyed or transfered to someone else. Assuming the years of a lifespan cannot be destroyed, that means they are somewhere and could be given back to Hanako. Remember that Hanako and Yashiro have their destinies tied, so the most likely thing is that either them both live, or they both die.
Mitsuba, on the other hand, as far as we know, he was simply destined to die young, just like Yashiro is. It’s sad and unfair, but the most likely ending for Mitsuba will be to simply move on…
Thank you for the addition @littledaikonlegs, I didn’t think it that way at first but I can see your point. Especially at the start of the manga Hanako’s destiny being altered was writed as a very important issue of the story. For a while it’s not been brought up again in the manga, but in the next chapter with *spoiler* little Tsukasa *spoiler*, the problem may be confronted again.
The fact that their destinies are still connected is a good point too, but you talking about Hanako not being supposedto die just reminded me that Nene on the other hand was supposed to diesoon. If how you theorize those Hanako’s years are somewhere unspent maybe they could share them? Like, living less but together?
To be honest I would still feel like it isn’t fair to Mistuba. I hope something else is waiting for him too. Maybe not coming back to life, but at least something to give Kou peace. He still looks a lot troubled by him in the last chapters.
The latest chapters got me thinking… I love HanaNene with all my heart but how will they ever be together?
I wish Hanako could come back to life but not only that sounds absurd but it also sounds unfair to Mitsuba. They are both supernaturals who died at young age, they both didn’t deserve it. If Hanako came back Mitsuba should too, and that sounds even more impossible. The only thing possible for what we have already read would be a life exchange but we saw how it went with Nene and Aoi. It’s not something acceptable.
On the other hand, having Nene die and become a supernatural, as much as I would love to see them together, doesn’t sound right too.
“Die and become a supernatural with me” that’s exactly what the fake Mitsuba said to Kou in ch.77 but it doesn’t feel like the right choice at all. The whole point that Kou makes in that chapter is that when people die (like his mother) you can only accept it and go on.
You can’t go back, it wouldn’t be right. Death is unfair but having one person die for another that you love is even worse.
But if these two options are the only one we have to see Hanako and Nene together as a couple… Is there no other ending than Nene going on with her life with living people?
I really like the topics of this manga. It’s not just supernatural being/human, it’s literally ghost/human. It talks a lot about the unfairness of death and the regrets of those who died and those who live. I really hope the mangaka can find a satysfing solution.
What if when Hanako at the end of the chapter says that he’ll say goodbye soon to Nene it means that since she’s not gonna die soon anymore she’s going to stop being able to see him and the other supernaturals?
Her lifespan being very short was the main reason she could see him.
A lot of things are sure going to change, she’s never going to be okay with her best friend dying instead of her…
Edit: I totally forgot about the mermaid bond, thanks for reminding me in the notes. At this point I guess that he’s going to break the bond somehow since he seems determined to let her go and that means next chapters are going to be even more painful than I thought
The foreshadowing is pretty obvious, but WHAT is it foreshadowing? Look at the figure in the middle. It’s pretty ambiguous who that is.
It has a knife, like Hanako. It has the uniform, but we know Tsukasa likes to dress up as Hanako sometimes. It doesn’t have a seal. My guess it’s that it could be Tsukasa, because look at the Kokujoudai. Soooo,
Does this mean that Hanako is the imposter, and the real Mystery number 7 is Tsukasa?
Or that the Tsukasa that we know is not actually the real Tsukasa (since we know the real one is still stuck in the Red House as a 4 yo, and the one we saw before the Red House Arc was all Something Else that Took Tsukasa’s Form?), meaning that he’s the imposter?
Are NEITHER the real number 7, since this figure here doesn’t even have the seals?
Is it just me or does this doll look a lot like Tsukasa? Why would there be a Tsukasa doll in Number 2’s boundary? (We know those dolls are just simple minions, they don’t have a mind on their own). Or is this perhaps just a foreshadow of Tsukasa’s existence (given that he hasn’t appeared yet at this point of the manga)? Or a reference that the Tsukasa we will meet first is not the real one (given what we recently learned in the Red House arc)??
Oh that’s interesting!
Because Tsukasa said Sakura helped him to come back.
And what did Sakura?
She changed Yako’s rumors and wanted Nene to go to the boundary. After the Yorishiro was destroyed she said everything went well.
So what if Tsukasa was defeated by Yako a long time ago and has been lying there as a doll, similar to Kou and Aoi.
And the first step in getting Tsukasa back was to destroy Yako’s Yorishiro.
This also raises the question of how tf was Sakura able to communicate with Tsukasa if he was a doll? ((Or, actually, how was Sakura able to communicate with Tsukasa AT ALL, given that Tsukasa grants wishes only for the death?))
I’m not sure if he only fulfills wishes of the dead. He said he fulfills the wishes of everyone.
But maybe he can’t be summoned of the living right now. Hanako also said he can only be summoned by people who will soon die.
And it’s right what you said about the rumors. That’s why I’m not sure what Sakura really is. But Mitsuba thinks she is supernatural.
And I don’t know how exactly changing rumors works. It looks like a broadcast, but I think it isn’t a normal one.
It seems the broadcast is going in the form of thoughts right into the minds of some students.
Isn’t it strange, that Nene never knew about the rumors before Aoi told her?
Tsukasa said that him and Hanako were opposites, and where Hanako grants wishes for the living, he grants wishes for the dead. And we know people close to death like Nene are still in Hanako’s realm, so that would make Sakura supernatural, right?
As for changing rumors, I do think it’s a normal broadcast. We see Nene change rumors just from casually talking to her shoolmates. Nothing special is needed, just the public’s general belief about the supernatural in question needs to be swayed.
Forgot to add: i dont think you need to be human to change rumors? I think you just need to be able to interact with the human world. We know hanako can only be seen by humans close to death or involved in the supernatural world, so he can’t change rumors himself. Probably safe to assume the same for Tsukasa. So they would both need help changing rumors. And we know with tsuchigomori, who is a mystery and a teacher, that some supernaturals can be seen by all humans and interact with them. So yeah, I don’t think Sakura is necessarily human
But if it weren’t necessary for a human to be the one changing rumors, why couldn’t Supernaturals/Mysteries like Tsuchigomori change them? Instead of Hanako having to find an assistant? We know Tsuchigomori and Hanako are close enough for Hanako to ask that favor to Tsuchigomori. But also, yeah, Tsukasa, as the opposite of Hanako, should obly be able to grant wishes to the death…
I don’t think the broadcast is anything special, but the rumors themselves are. Like we saw with the Confession Tree: it suddenly grew, and yet, Yashiro seemed to be the only one who questioned since when had the tree been there, but didn’t think too much of it. Akane, a mystery, fell for it, too. My conclusion is that Rumors can alter people’s memories and perceptions.
Is it just me or does this doll look a lot like Tsukasa? Why would there be a Tsukasa doll in Number 2’s boundary? (We know those dolls are just simple minions, they don’t have a mind on their own). Or is this perhaps just a foreshadow of Tsukasa’s existence (given that he hasn’t appeared yet at this point of the manga)? Or a reference that the Tsukasa we will meet first is not the real one (given what we recently learned in the Red House arc)??
@hania-chan that’s true. The fact that Sakura could even become Tsukasa’s assitant (through making a wish) should point toward her not being human… but, if I’m not mistaken, only humans can change rumors, no? That’s why both Hanako and Tsukasa needed human assistants.
((Sorry, this is my sideblog and Idk how to answer comments))
Is it just me or does this doll look a lot like Tsukasa? Why would there be a Tsukasa doll in Number 2’s boundary? (We know those dolls are just simple minions, they don’t have a mind on their own). Or is this perhaps just a foreshadow of Tsukasa’s existence (given that he hasn’t appeared yet at this point of the manga)? Or a reference that the Tsukasa we will meet first is not the real one (given what we recently learned in the Red House arc)??
Oh that’s interesting!
Because Tsukasa said Sakura helped him to come back.
And what did Sakura?
She changed Yako’s rumors and wanted Nene to go to the boundary. After the Yorishiro was destroyed she said everything went well.
So what if Tsukasa was defeated by Yako a long time ago and has been lying there as a doll, similar to Kou and Aoi.
And the first step in getting Tsukasa back was to destroy Yako’s Yorishiro.
This also raises the question of how tf was Sakura able to communicate with Tsukasa if he was a doll? ((Or, actually, how was Sakura able to communicate with Tsukasa AT ALL, given that Tsukasa grants wishes only for the death?))
hanako is so different around his brother it’s. unnerving
hanako normally:
hanako when tsukasa’s around:
Idk what happened to him but… it must be something horrible. I WANT to think that his reaction is only due to the trauma of having killed “Tsukasa”, but… idk. Maybe it could be more than just that… the way he freezes up is not normal… it’s more than just fear, it’s straight up trauma…
So I think Tsukasa licked Amane’s tears back in Chapter 20–
Is the memory of them being little kids before of after Tsukasa’s “disappearance”? (I can’t find the chapter ) Because if it’s after—- remember that supernaturals can transmit/acquire power/curses/ties by ingesting body parts/fluids: Mitsuba became a Mystery by ingesting number three’s heart; Yashiro became tied to the supernatural/Hanako/gor cursed by ingesting that mermaid scale; she would have become a princess by ingesting the mermaid’s blood; Tsuchigomori ingested a sort of butterfly-looking thing that we don’t really know what it is but it’s been made clear that it is not a regular bug… in other words, eating is powerful. So maybe drinking tears (just like drinking blood or eating hearts) also does something??
Is it just me or does this doll look a lot like Tsukasa? Why would there be a Tsukasa doll in Number 2’s boundary? (We know those dolls are just simple minions, they don’t have a mind on their own). Or is this perhaps just a foreshadow of Tsukasa’s existence (given that he hasn’t appeared yet at this point of the manga)? Or a reference that the Tsukasa we will meet first is not the real one (given what we recently learned in the Red House arc)??
after kou beats no.6’s ass, he becomes the new no.6 in which he will try to save teru and akane (they’re probably knocked out) like what mitsuba did when he ate former no.3’s remains and he became wonder no.3—then again teru said that eating a part of a supernatural make u part supernatural so yeah
next one is that hanenene will come back to the plot (inhaling that hopium rn) so i have a feeling that yashiro is gonna confront hanako of what happened to the red house and the stuffs that she knows about hanako as of now—so hanako was like “ight fine i’ll tell you” though i don’t expect another story arc after kou beating no.6’s ass unless aidairo pulls out the “intense backstory” card into the manga
or maybe it has something to do with the ed of tbhk anime where after hanako and yashiro kissed he yeets her out of the boundary to go back to the near shore bc it’s too dangerous to stay there for long. and yashiro tries to go back but then the og broadcast duo: natsuhiko and sakura would help yashiro to go back to the far shore and this is how the doors that lead nowhere and everywhere becomes relevant
