#loki series critcism
You ever just think about how the MCU butchered Loki’s character and just get mad?
If the previous films said I don’t care about you, Loki series straight up said I hate you)
So youre saying Loki uses magic to dry his clothes as soon as he is wet (cos he obviously cares about his looks) but he cant do the same for the rest of the series, not even when he is wounded or all dirty and has sweatmarks everywhere. Ok.
And that’s really the only time I can remember him using his magic too?
Like, you’re telling me that our Loki, the Loki from 2012 Avengers is a magic user and extremely proficient in it to the point where Classic Loki can make Asgard alone, but you never show him doing amazing feats with said magical abilities?
Okay.
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Nah for real. The moment they said “your magic does not work here” I was already throwing hands.
That wouldnt be such a problem. They did the same to Wanda. But unlike Loki, she was allowed to show her magic in the rest of the show and open all her powers at the end. While Loki…I dont even wanna go there. @l-astre
…I’m very much afraid that even stopping to care for his look is considered “a sign of growth”. And the same goes for not using his powers, with the exception of learning something from Sylvie (what humility!) or defending Sylvie (see? He loves her and has learned to use her powers for the greater good. !)
In the series Loki has gotten worse at everything, at every aspect. Hair oily as never before (like Tom hasnt washed it the entire time they were shooting), he stopped wearing decent clothes, he no longer walks like God, even his voice isnt as hoarse as it used to be, his intellect is gone, he is a trickster but he doesnt trick one person, etc. And Im not even gonna go into the fact he doesnt use magic even after 10 years in MCU and how he braggs he is 10 steaps ahead of them all and we find out there is no plan and no scheme and that he wasnt (unlike in other movies)
He has gotten worse at everything and its all supposed to be growth. Growth should be becoming better. In Avengers for example he switches outfits when he proudly walks in Stuttgart with scepter. He could have conjured himself a new one in series finale but with humble expression on his face not so proud like in The avengers. They could have done that and that would truly be growth.
Loki got the opposite in the series. It was regression.
This!
“stopping to care for his look is considered a sign of growth” — that’s literally a sign of depression or otherwise deteriorating mental health we were taught to watch out for in my psychiatry course.
It’s often misenterpreted as “psychs will pronounce you mad if you stop conforming to stereotypes/care about what other people think about you” but in fact this series is a good example of what this criterion actually means. Unwashed greasy hair, slumped posture; no attempts to replace dirty, torn clothes; rolling with whatever option was imposed upon them by external circumstances while the person used to have strong opinions about their appearance before — all that paints a picture of giving up on taking basic care of himself, not letting go of excessive vanity or whatever other bs they are trying to push onto the viewers.
Too bad the writers for the series utterly suck at all mental-health-related issues, because what they are unintentionally and so clumsily showing would’ve still have more potential for exploration than what they are trying to tell.
Sometimes it feels like the interviews and commentary belong to some parallel universe and talk about a completely different product from there that we never got to see. The Larry series variant, if you will.
This is what I felt and the fact that they call his depressed state “therapy” and “growth” after BREAKING him to that point is so disturbing to me. We are actively having a dystopian view of a “healthy state of mind” pushed on us, while the creators act like they created a paradise in interviews.
I don’t know WHAT universe the show fans and the creators live in, but the Loki WE watched, got WORSE did NOT experience growth and I’ll swear on my Bachelor’s in Science Psychology degree on that.
True. Im no psychologist but it happened to me. I was suicidal. And around that time I just put my hair in ponytail,washed it barely, me otherwise fashion lover who loves coming up with various outfits, stopped caring about what i wear, stopped shaving my legs, i showered only once a week,normally I try to walk like a damn model, show off my shoes and hips, but at that time I just…walked.
And after a long process and these dark times when I realizes I was not a piece of shit and that it wasnt that bad and I had no reason to kill myself, I returned to my old me, even better. I changed most of my wardrobe, tried new haircut, I was no longer spending all my free time laying on the couch and I went out and enjoyed every small thing. I went thru this so seeing Loki in the series was like seeing myself during my depression period and to have writers calling this growth and what Mobius did to Loki,which is what my abusive ex used to do to me, a therapy, makes me sick to my stomach and feel…helpless.
I feel like Im shouting off the top of my lungs “he is showing all signs of depression,I know,Ive been there” and 5 people here me and thousands just walk by and ignore it or think “bitch just desperate for attention’. Thats how it feels to be in mcu fandom, as a survivor, seeing what happened to me happening to my favourite character too and fans and writers calling it good. His abuse even got physical on numerous occasions and people still dont recognize it as abuse and laugh at it. Im gonna go into extreme now, but this is everytime someone commits a suicide. Signs were all there but people were ignoring them or refused to see them. Cos "its not that deep”, right?
Edited: btw when I learnt my value, I didnt point at my chest with tears in my eyes “I cant be trusted” or any of that negative shit. I literally smiled and put on my newly delivered jacket and went out. In the finale Loki looks like in worst part of depression.
All of this ^^
As an abuse and depression survivor myself, those scenes ended up massively triggering me. It doesn’t help that I relate to Loki too and even though Larry isn’t Loki, it’s still triggering as fuck to see shit like that. It’s like they’re literally telling us through him that we don’t matter and we deserve to either take it and act like a doormat, or be vilified for the rest of our lives.
Every word.
I have lived with depression my whole life. Sometimes it looks okay from the outside, but sometimes it looks exactly like how Loki looked at the end of the show. And that’s not growth. That’s worse than what we saw at the end of Thor 1. At least Loki was fighting then. He stopped fighting in the show. He just accepted being treated like garbage. And then he actually believed that Mobius and Sylvie were right about him. That’s rock bottom.
I knew from the second that the show didn’t acknowledge how traumatizing it was to see your whole life and how you died and then didn’t offer any true therapy that it was not going to be a fun time.
This too! He just freaking watched Thanos fracturing his neck and dying and…noone talks about it for the rest of the show, how he feels about the fact the person who tortured him and then sent him to Earth kills him at the end, nothing. In episode 2 he is already laughing and reading a magazine and dancing (the scene was deleted but they did shoot it). I never saw worse writing. @scoobycool9
valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn:
the worst part about fandom discourse on tumblr is that liking a character has lost meaning. everyone seems to think that if you like a character that means you think they are a good person, not a genuinely well written functional character
Or if you mention the faults and mistakes of a character that means you hate them. Like, not necessarily? I talk shit about Odin all the time and I love that man, he was absolutely terrible at everything, how am I not going to like him
Meanwhile, many people who claim to love Loki, proceed to call him slurs, point at all his “crimes” and enjoy seeing him tortured. So, I would like to differ between “love, despite the characters flaws” and “love to see diminished and disparaged”.
Fans: But Tom was executive producer. He had creative input in the series.
Tom:
The thing is it is normal to get 95% of ideas rejected. That is just what creative sector looks like.
You have to have 1000 ideas to make one or two work.
This is the beauty and curse of being in a concept team. Or maybe I should say design team.
The rules like - the first idea is always the best doesn’t apply here. Usually first 100 is just thrown away like a garbage. And the fact the idea is yours doesn’t make it “best’ or even "good”.
Interesting thing is that the guy behind na Alligator Loki have also said simmilar thing. That he had like hundreds of even weirder ideas that the whole crew had to talk him out of. But for some reason those two situations are not connected… :)
Also an input in the story is not just having and implementing an idea. It can be also disagreeing with someone elses idea.
Its normal if they cast an actor into a role and thats it. They dont have to listen to him.
But not if he plays characters for over a decade, and he is the only person in the world from all the writers and directors who is still sticking around. He has worked on Loki with multiple writers & directors and he is the single one person from the original team while others left. Nobody else but him has the right to make decisions and yet these newbies came, wrote what they wanted and then rejected 95% of his ideas - ideas of an actor who played Loki since 2010. @x-lucifera
Oh, I think I argued with this person on Twitter about the same topic, already. They are deep into wishful thinking. Besides knowing only 5% of Tom‘s ideas made it into the show they supported the claim that anyone who disliked TVA Loki would rejects *Tom‘s* Loki, as if what we were shown in the series was 100% undiluted inspiration of Tom Hiddleston.
The problem with their argument gets obvious when you use hard logic.
If we assume everyone only gets 5% of ideas into the story, this means Waldron, too, got 5% of his ideas into the plot. But the plot still resembles his former script „the worst guy of all times“ closely. But it has almost no original Loki energy in it. This would mean that either
- Waldron was either flowing over with all of his ideas, while Tom had almost none,
Or
- Their claim is incorrect and Waldron got a lot more than 5% of his ideas into the story.
So, based on Waldron calling Loki an ass and an animal, as well as mentioning in an interview he would only need Tom’s input to fit Loki‘s tone of speech, the claim that Tom got heard is unlikely, imo.
