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Online Spaces, Part 6: Making Spaces Work Your Way

It’s all very well to respect other people’s spaces. But how do you make sure there are spaces where you feel at home?

A space might claim to cater to you, but that doesn’t mean you’ll feel comfortable with the social norms there.

First, the hardest thing:

When someone treats you badly in a space that is partly yours, ask them to treat you better.

Just because your needs are obvious to you doesn’t mean that other people understand or remember them.

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This is… very optional, because it’s often hard and not always safe.

It’s scary to explain how you want to be treated, and scarier to phrase it as a request. There’s emotional risk involved, and no guarantee it will end well. Just lashing out at people can be easier, and can feel a lot more fair.

The question is: what outcome do you want? Asking for kindness has downsides, but it gives you a better chance of getting kindness. Explaining your needs works really well to get people to care about them. When you point out to people that they can choose whether or not to offer you respect and compassion, they usually want to be a person who makes the kinder choice.

Ignore, avoid, block or report those who won’t respect your space when asked.

This can feel super unsatisfying. “Just ignore bullying,” is cliché, condescending advice that rarely works. But it’s cliché because, occasionally, it works really well! And it works more often online than it does on the schoolyard. Curating who you hear from online can wildly alter your experience of reality.

Okay, but what if your problem with a space is more of a… general vibe?

Image: The building is on fire, people are casually talking in the background. Person: Something about this place just doesn't FEEL right.

You can’t address that without pinning down the problem.

What kind of interaction do you want to be able to have in this space?

What tends to go wrong when you see someone try to have that interaction?

Maybe a certain type of comment is too taboo, or not taboo enough. It can also be about structure and intention: Who’s an authority in a space, and what do they seem to want for it?

Sometimes it helps to directly question a social rule, hoping that other people in the space dislike that rule as much as you do.

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This goes over best if you start by acknowledging the purpose of the rule you’re challenging, and affirming the value of that purpose.

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If none of these strategies work, it’s probably time to retreat from the space, or do whatever you judge will work best to protect your own well-being.

You might find that the only way to find your space is to make a new one.

You can start a social media account that only interacts with people who are behaving according to certain rules. Or a blog or forum where you delete any comments that don’t meet with your stated guidelines.

We’d love to see more online spaces with meaningful, explicitly stated social rules. If you create a space that suits your own needs, you might find that others have been longing for the same kind of space as you, without even knowing it.

Image: Sign says: This area reserved for people wearing funny hats. Blue person: At last, I’ve found my place.

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Online Spaces, Part 5: No Space Is Safe For Everyone

The term “safe space” has often meant places that are safe for people in the LGBT+ community. The world and the internet have expanded on the idea, and different web communities have their own notions of what it means to be in a safe space. The phrase still has a strong connotation of protecting a marginalized group, and we’re not sure how universal or exclusive that connotation is.

You can make a space to protect people from a particular kind of bigotry. Or from a kind of hostility or bullying. Or from being caught off-guard by content that can harm them. We like that people have been figuring out ways to protect each other online.

But different types of safety can contradict.

Say you have a safe space for people who need their triggers correctly labelled. That same space can be unsafe for people with disabilities or life situations that make trigger warnings tricky to create. People can have attention issues, or difficulty understanding a warning system, or difficulty making their body or the software do what they want. They may not be fully fluent with the language of a space, or even just the dialect.

Being bad at following a space’s rules is a little unsafe if you have to be on high alert in order to avoid making constant mistakes.

Image: person typing on a keyboard in a hesitant and terrified manner. Person: Carefully, carefully...

And it can be very unsafe if people respond to mistakes with insults, cruel assumptions, or suggestions of self-harm.

Now, say you have a place that’s safe for people who are processing trauma and anger. It might be unsafe for people who share traits in common with those who inflicted the trauma.

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Or it could be unsafe for people who are processing the same trauma in a differentway.

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The nature of a space depends on who it’s safe for, and what it’s safe from. It’s only safe if the occupants mostly agree on those two points.

Otherwise, you end up working at cross-purposes.

There’s tension when you try to expand your own type of safe space to encompass a larger community. Suddenly, a lot more people have to mostly agree about who’s supposed to be safe from what.

Sometimes you’ll find that your type of safety is too specific to work in a big space. It’s hard to predict all the needs of a varied community.

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Now, some types of safety do a lot more good than harm even on a large scale. Making a big space safer can be a tense but needed transition.

We here at Averting The Flame Wars want everyone on the internet to be safe from things like public doxing and death threats. But not everyone would agree with that. And even we don’t know exactly how to enforce it.

It’s hard to build a consensus with a large group of people about which rules are worth the trade-offs involved. It’s a struggle between two things:

Freedoms: The safety of being able to talk and act thoughtlessly, to relax and be open about your passions, uncertainties, and experiences.

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Restrictions: Rules and norms that give people some power over if and how they’re exposed an idea or situation.

These are both types of safety. In general, humans need some of both.

Keeping a space safe means hashing out how you’re going to balance these two needs in lots of different ways.

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And it means deciding how you can enforce the restrictions you have. If one person breaks the rules, do others get to try to make them feel bad? If so, what methods are they allowed to use?

If you’re going to honor the needs of different humans, you need to change where the boundaries are from one space to another.

It helps a lot if you state the restrictions and freedoms of your spaces as clearly as possible, so the people who need to avoid it can do so. Some Facebook groups have guidelines for their members, and some blogs have guidelines for commenters.

In a more amorphously owned space like a tag, it’s going to be a lot more subjective. Still, if you feel like you know a safe space well, it can help to articulate what you think the rules are.

Likewise, if you sense that a space isn’t intended for you or has unwritten rules you don’t understand, one option is to ask. Ask the people you encounter about who they want the space to cater to.

If they seem receptive, ask if they’d be willing to explain what kind of behavior they expect from you. (Keep in mind that this can be a lot to ask. Most people don’t know how to articulate exactly what they expect from you. And some have bad experiences with being asked the question.)

You can’t preempt every harmful misunderstanding this way. Our ideas can minimize hurt, not prevent it completely.

Safe online spaces are important. And they can be pretty unsafe.

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When it comes to things like tags and forums, there’s often a group of people who see themselves as “owning” the space. They might have particular standards that they expect people to meet in order to “own” the space along with them. Things like:

- belonging to a certain demographic

- sharing a specific difficulty

- having certain political beliefs

- liking the thing that the space is dedicated to celebrating

- knowing social skills that may be specific to the space. Like knowing how to use trigger warnings in a particular way, or interacting comfortably with a certain type of humor

This is tricky. It’s rare that everyone who “owns” a space agrees about exactly who owns it or what the etiquette is.

If one person seems to speak for all the inhabitants of a space, it’s hard to know who they really speak for, and who they don’t speak for. It’s extra hard when you really dislike what they’re saying.

Image: Green person: Welcome to the Pillow Fort forum. If you don’t like this exact type of pillow fort then you are scum. Purple person: Oh. Well, I hadn’t really thought about-- Green person: Go away. You’re clearly not one of us.

Not knowing who speaks for whom can make hurtful actions feel like they come from a whole group instead of one, or two, or twenty people.

Image: The same image as before. Green person is labelled: Person who was mean to you. Green person and all the background people are labelled: People who it feels like were mean to you. Purple person thinks: this forum sucks. everyone here is snobby and hates me for no good reason.

Just because one person is acting badly, it doesn’t mean the whole group would act the same way. It’s possible that the people you encounter are acting extra mean, or aren’t informing you correctly about what the space is for.

Here’s where it gets a little harder: It’s possible that someone you encounter is acting extra mean, and that they’re still correct about what the space is for. They may be trying to protect something everyone values about the space, but be protecting it in an overly aggressive way.

In that situation, you could lash out at one person, only to find that others get caught in the crossfire.

Image: Purple person to Green person: I’m not welcome here, huh? Well in that case I think that kind of pillow fort sucks. Aqua person in the background overhears. Aqua person to Purple person: This forum is for people who like a certain type of pillow fort. Why are you coming into my space and insulting the stuff I’m here to enjoy? What did I ever do to you?

Whatfeels like an equal and opposite reaction doesn’t have an equal impact when an individual and a group argue. Words get separated from their context. People lose track of distinctions quickly as they unconsciously alternate between thinking about what the group believes and thinking about what one group member believes.

And in the middle of all that, online groups tend to have a trickle of new visitors coming in, trying to figure out what’s expected of them.

This is messy and hard. Prepare for people to act poorly from a place of hurt and confusion sometimes. Try not to take it out on innocent bystanders when you’re hurt and confused.

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When someone posts on their blog or social media, they sometimes see themselves as being in a public space. So, they expect people to voice disagreement, ask them to quiet down under certain circumstances, or tell them when they’re being very rude.

Image: Yellow person shouting in public: MY GOD IS OFFENDED BY THE SIGHT OF BLUE JEANS. ALL WHO WEAR BLUE JEANS AND DO NOT REPENT WILL BURN IN HELL. ALSO I HAVE A WEIRD MOLE ON MY BUTT. I DUNNO WHAT TO DO. IS IT CANCER? A BUG BITE? I GOOGLED TONS OF SYMPTOMS, BUT I’M STILL NOT SURE!
Image: Green person: Excuse me. Could you please… not do the thing that you are doing? Yellow person: Absolutely. That is a reasonable request.

Some people see their posts as a private space. If you join that conversation, you’re opening the door and letting yourself in, and anything you say upon entering will be viewed in that context.

Image: Blue person talking to green person in a dorm room. Blue person: … and it’s like, I feel conflicted, because my god is offended by the sight of blue jeans. I think if someone wears blue jeans and they don’t repent, they’re going to burn in hell. Also I have this really weird mole on my butt… Purple person barges in. Purple person: That’s offensive, how dare you? I wear blue jeans and if you don’t respect that then keep your mouth shut about it. And if you have a mole on your butt and don’t go to the doctor then you’re an irresponsible person and probably wrong about everything ever. Blue person: Please leave.

If you’re not sure if you’re welcome in a space, you can always ask permission before joining or starting a conversation. Often, you’ll be treated more warmly because you treated the space as personal to someone else.

Image: Purple person: Can I come in? Blue person: Sure! Thanks for knocking first.

Now, people tend to see a space as more public if more people spend time there. This can be disorienting for users whose web pages become popular on the internet, and they find that what used to be a place to tell their friends and family about their thoughts is suddenly… a little less intimate.

Image: Orange person walks into a room in their pajamas and talks to Red person. Orange person: Oh man, did I tell you that Roger was a jackass to me at work yesterday? Orange person notices that they are in front of an audience.
Image: Orange person: Roger. Roger, I love roger. Roger is awesome. Nothing at all wrong with Roger. No-sir-ee. I’m going back to bed.

When you’re on the internet, there’s no solid way to measure the privacy of a space you are in. So you can’t be totally sure how anything you say will be received. Be careful when you can.

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Image: 2 people fighting over a virtual cube. Blue person: I called dibs this particular square foot of the digital universe! Green person: I called dibs on it first. Blue person: Nuh-uh! Green person: Uh-huh!

Online Spaces, Part 2: Territorial Disputes

We talked in Part One about how people tend to expect certain things when they’re on their own online territory. But the online community is still figuring out the etiquette around who “owns” which online spaces.

Different types of space overlap. It makes it tough to agree with other people about where your space ends and theirs begins.

Image: #LAWN is written on the ground. Blue person: Hey, you retweeted my tweet about lawn care and made a comment I didn’t like! How dare you? That tweet is mine! You don’t get to mess with it Purple person: Well, it’s on my twitter now, and I can say whatever I want on my own twitter page Yellow person with a cane: Get off my hashtag you whippersnappers!

People don’t always agree on who is the rightful occupant of a space and who is the guest. Or burglar. And it’s easy to judge someone’s online behavior through that lens - the belief that they are an intruder.

Image: Two people in a kitchen staring at each other uncomfortably. Aqua person picks up a marker and starts writing on the fridge. Purple person: Why… why are you writing on my refrigerator? Aqua person: This is my refrigerator. Why are you watching me write on my refrigerator?

(Of course territorial disputes like this happen in physical spaces. A lot. The internet just adds some extra types of confusion to fight over.)

It can help to explain clearly where you perceive the boundaries of your own space. “I consider this blog to be my own personal space, so I consider it invasive when you comment on it in a certain way,” is much more informative than, “How dare you come here uninvited and act like a total jerk?”

Try to be clear about where you see the lines, and listen for other people’s boundaries. This stuff isn’t nearly as obvious as it sometimes feels.

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The internet comes with its own concept of “space.” It’s a newer invention than physical space, and a little trickier to keep track of.

When people talk about a “space” online, they can mean…

  • a forum or forum discussion.
  • the comment section on a blog, video, or anything else that comes with a comment section.
  • a comment chain.
  • a website.
  • a social media account. This space can “contain” anything that appears on the page, or any messages people send to the account.
  • a community of social media accounts.
  • a fandom or part of a fandom.
  • a hashtag or tag page.
  • a listing of retweets, reblogs, or shares on a post. This space can “contain” the comments people have made on the post along its journey.

That’s probably not a complete listing of types of online spaces, but you get the gist.

When someone is in their own “space,” they expect a certain amount of control over what other people say and do there.

Image: Blue person: So… I see you don’t have any doorknobs. Interesting decor choice. Red person: We don't talk about doorknobs in this house.

…And, when someone is in their own space, they expect a certain amount of leeway to do and say what they like without being interrogated or told off by uninvited guests.

Image: Lavender person: What are you doing writing curse words all over your refrigerator? That’s irresponsible and crude!” Green person: ...Okay. What are you doing in my house? Lavender person: Door wasn't locked.

The concept of online space is central to how a lot of web users experience the internet and the people in it, and there’s a lot of disagreement about how it works.

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