Amber when she’s alone with her ‘abuser’:chases him to 7 different rooms when he’s trying to get away from her, pounds on the door until he cracks it open then forces her way into the room by kicking said door into him, throws pots, pans, vases, bottles, cans and other objects at him, slaps, shoves, punches, hits, scratches and pushes him, tries to physically prevent him from leaving when she gets violent, yells and screams at him at the top of her lungs, insults, name calls, emasculates, laughs at, demeans, harangues, berates and belittles him, tries to diminish and disparage his well established, well respected 38 year acting career, attacks his parental skills and tells him she hopes his son’s stepfather can teach him how to be a man bc he doesn’t know how to, taunts and mocks him for not engaging in physical fights with her, chases him to the elevator and stands in front of the door when he tries to leave, dares him to tell the world he’s a victim of dv and see how many people believe or side with him.
Amber when she’s in a crowded court room and sees her ‘abuser’ casually approaching the nearby exit without even glancing in her direction: theatrically recoils in terror despite staring him dead in the face for the entirety of his testimony and walking past him devoid of any visceral emotional reaction a few hours prior.
Here, have this testimony of Amber’s neighbors detailing the wonderful treatment she received from Depp
Firstly, her “neighbours” were her best friends who Johnny let live in his penthouses rent free, which is the last thing a controlling abuser would do as they always try to isolate their victim as much as possible. Secondly, you’re sending me shit that’s already been thoroughly debunked (watch Incredibly Average on YT or do a basic Google search and you’ll be bombarded by posts and audio/video footage disproving Amber and her friends claims, her bullshit injury photos etc.) as if that somehow negates all of the literal documented facts I mentioned in my post.
And most of Depp‘s witnesses are his employees, will you still dismiss their testimonies because they’re friends with/ financially dependent on Depp? Are you seriously ignoring the UK libel case, wherein the court ruled that calling him a “wife-beater” was absolutely justified based on her evidence. Are you seriously referring me to a YouTuber, when according to an actual judge Depp was “violent towards Ms Heard on multiple occasions”?
I would if Johnny’s employees had proven themselves to be liars like Amber’s besties have. But even if we disregard their testimony altogether there’s still literal fucking audio of Amber abusing, taunting, provoking and gaslighting Johnny for hours on end, in which AT. NO. POINT. IN. TIME. does he lash out at her physically, despite her claims of him losing his shit and beating tf out of her at the drop of a hat like some kind of uncontrollable beast. In fact AMBER’S the one who says, and I quote, "I can’t promise you I won’t get physical again, I just get so mad sometimes I fucking lose it.” (similar to what she said to Ben on the plane back from Australia), and JOHNNY’S the one who tells her over and over again in no uncertain terms that he WILL NOT get into a physical altercation with her and he has to leave when she gets to that point bc he can’t just stand there and take the punches. There’s at least 8 or 9 hrs of publically available audio of her ripping him to fucking shreds, talking about his kids, emasculating and demeaning him, calling him a pussy and a coward for, in her own words, “walking/running away from every fight”, guaranteeing him it’s only gonna make her worse if he does that bc she views it as him disrespecting their marriage and dehumanizing her, insulting him in a weird ass baby voice interspersed with her drunkenly cackling like a demented supervillain, admitting to starting physical fights and throwing pots, pans, vases and other objects at him, daring him to tell the world he’s a victim and see who believes him, and the list goes on.
And yes, I am referring you to a YouTuber bc the work Brian has done on this case is phenomenal. He’s spent an insane amount of time analyzing, comparing and investigating everything from witness statements to photo evidence to CCTV footage to Amber’s injuries and noting the absolute MOUNTAIN of irreconcilable inconsistencies therein, whereas the biased judge in the UK pretty much just took whatever Amber said as the truth and arbitrarily discounted everything Johnny said. But if you wanna remain willfully ignorant of the evidence and rely on the fact he lost a civil case in another country (civil cases are based on probability unlike criminal cases where a crime has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt), that’s entirely your prerogative.
As for the shit you mentioned in your tags, trashing a hotel room doesn’t equate to being a wife beater and Kate Moss has said Johnny was never violent towards her and she still supports him to this day. Ellen Barkin said he threw a bottle at a wall, NOT at her, and she also said the same thing Kate said about him not being violent towards her. The incident with the crew member was overblown bullshit. The dude was hurling racial slurs at a black woman and Johnny took issue with it, which resulted in a verbal altercation between the two (there were witnesses). The texts he sent about drowning and burning Amber weren’t even directed at her, he was venting to a friend about his abuser. If a battered wife said she hoped her male abuser got tortured to death ppl would be saying her anger was justified, but if a dude says horrible shit about his female abuser that he has no intention of acting on suddenly he’s no longer a victim. And if you take issue with what Johnny said I assume you’re equally horrified about Amber and her friend joking about her stabbing Johnny with the knife she bought him? Or does she get a pass on that bc she’s a woman? And does she also get a pass on her previous arrest for domestic violence that she was lucky enough not to be charged with bc she and her partner didn’t live in the same state the assault (which was witnessed by two police officers) took place in?
Hilarious that part of their argument was literally “a court said he couldn’t sue for defamation so that means he’s guilty.” Like, seriously? Is it crack??? Is it crack that you smoke?????
These people will take literally hours of audio recording of Amber admitting to being the abuser, countless witnesses including Johnny’s former partner and children, the physical evidence of Depp being abused, the lack of physical evidence or even medical records of Amber being abused, and toss it all out the window cuz a court ruled against him on a DEFAMATION LAWSUIT.
Like, fucking hell, they could not make it more obvious they don’t want the Pussy Pass to go away.
The ppl who say Johnny losing the UK case is solid proof he abused Amber are the same ppl who’d be saying it doesn’t mean shit if he wins this case.
Precisely. Honestly, Amber could be convicted of rape and abuse and sent to prison and they’d still say that’s not proof she was the abuser.
Your whole worldview changes when you recognize rape as a hate crime against women
Hope you don’t mind if I boost your tags but the commentary here is delicious
“No one actively recruited me, they just removed my inhibitions towards critical thinking.”
and
“I thought I was so smart but there were things I refused to use my intelligence for because it felt forbidden.”
this is the process for so many women. so many women pride themselves on being intelligent — and they are! and they should! — but allow that intelligence to be directed in ways that are pre-approved without ever acknowledging that the pre-approval is being done by patriarchy, which has a vested interest in making sure it stays alive.
it is only in allowing yourself to have new ideas, to consider what has been forbidden or restricted without reason or explanations, that you really see what your own mind can do.
the pregnancy post i mentioned in my tags (by @/sespursongles (user deactivated)):
Oof. Thanks for letting me know about this, @girlsmoonsandstars !
Men do not love women. They may care about us the way we care about tools, but that’s it. And like tools, they use us for specific functions until we break, and then they toss us out and, if they can, replace us. This hasn’t changed, women just have the ability to prevent pregnancy now, and have ways of treating pain if we do get pregnant. Imagine living with someone for so many years, professing to love and cherish them, and willfully putting them in so much pain and at so much risk time, after time, after time. A woman would never, but most men would if they could, and historically most men have.
“Men are a different species from women whose brains work fundamentally differently.” Y’all really are trying to make Lamarck look smart by comparison, aint’cha?
Things don’t have to be baked into our DNA to be deeply ingrained parts of our society. Men commit the overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crimes, that’s a fact. Whether you think it’s due to nature or nurture, men are farmore violent than women are. Same brains or different brains, it doesn’t really matter. Men all across the globe and all throughout history have oppressed, abused, and exploited women (including women they claim to love) in a variety of horrific ways. Maybe men are biologically evil, maybe they’re taught to be evil, maybe they choose to be evil, probably it’s some combination, either way they have a lot of women’s blood on their hands
Dude blocked me while complaining about women being “deranged” for wanting to segregate from men. There’s definitely some irony there.
He brought up the “but black people are also disproportionately violent” argument, which these MRAs seem to love. That they reach for this argument so quickly says some not-very-nice-things about how they view black people. Women are more at-threat from men than from women, white people are not more at-threat from black people than white people. Men are vastly more violent everywhere across the globe and have been all throughout history, the same cannot be said about a particular race. Men and women live in the same houses in the same neighborhoods, there is no environmental or economic explanation for men’s violence. Funny how MRAs love comparing men (an oppressor group) to black people (an oppressed group). Also funny how this weirdo think society belongs to men, yet also considers those women who would want to form exclusively female societies deranged.
The comparison between men and African-Americans is because the system of registering crime is biased against both groups (see: often defining rape as “penetration by a penis” for men, racial profiling in the case of African-Americans). Please don’t read stuff into an argument that’s not there.
As women are indeed human, the all-female society of which you speak would probably be just as bad as a coed society, but with the added disadvantage of allrapists, murderers, and other criminals being women. But then you’d have no one to deflect your wrongdoings onto…
Men are vastly more violent than women everywhere across the globe despite having every advantage, men created the system you MRAs complain about, so any issues are your own fault. That’s not in any way comparable to the specific disadvantages faced by black people in the US as a minority in a system designed to work against them.
Patterns of male violence are global. Do you really think every single society conspires to convict men and acquit women? Do you seriously believe the FBI and every other similar organization is making things up when it comes to violent crime statistics? That every expert on crime is in on it? That all of them, including a whole lot of men, are trying to make men look bad?
There are small communities of predominantly or only women, and they are far safer than communities with men (like Umoja, Kenya, created so women and girls could escape male violence). The pattern holds with children as well as adults of all ages, girls experience less violence and bullying in all-girls schools than schools with boys, boys experience more violence and bullying in all-boys schools than schools with girls.
The assumption that “women are human thus women are just as bad as men” treats men as the benchmark of humanity and is simply inaccurate.
More violence does not necessarily equate to less abuse or less bullying. Women can be every bit as vicious as men on that front, and often more so towards children (or do statistics magically not count when they’re inconvenient for you?). And also emotional abuse is a thing that can be every bit as damaging as physical or sexual abuse, if not more so since you are trained to not see it coming (often by the very people who are abusing you).
Plus I don’t exactly believe in patriarchy, at least as it stands on the West. And I said the “women are human” thing because you guys love to constantly point that out to defend your position, but never EVER go into the negative implications of that. Maybe I should have cut my losses and say “women are goddesses that are incapable of wrongdoing” so your ass would be properly kissed and I wouldn’t have to wade knee-deep into the muck of conflict theory to get my point across. (And the only two groups of people who count as universally oppressed throughout history are the poor and the disabled. Everything else has varied by society. And I personally don’t give people an out if I think they belong to an “oppressed” group, sorry to say. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.)
Women can be vicious, but somehow we’re not nearly as often as men or as horrifically as men.
You don’t have to understand that patriarchy exists in the west in 2022 to understand that the laws and institutions we live with today were built long before 2022.
You only assume “women are human” has negative implications because you treat men as your benchmark of humanity, when really men are piss-poor representatives of humanity, possessing an absurdly disproportionate amount of negative qualities.
Please tell that to all of my female abusers. Please tell that to my fifth-grade special education teacher who was a sadist, admitted to adopting special needs kids in order to beat them, and constantly held me down and beat me with a yardstick.
Please tell that to my mother who was the ultimate in helicopter parenting, gaslit everyone in the house because she hated men that much and wanted them to suffer, and used my dad’s admittedly violent temper against him -caused by ADHD and the side effects for the medication thereof- in order to play the victim.
Please tell that to all of the women who shat on me because of my disability, including the female dean at my undergrad college who called me an “idiot savant” to my face, told me she didn’t see how I got a full scholarship into her school (and she would have rescinded it if she could), and tried to pressure me into graduating in five years instead of four because a “r*tard” could never get a BA in four years.
Yes, I did have male abusers and bullies as well. The only difference was that I was trained to see them coming, precisely because I was raised to believe women and girls can’t be abusers. I ended up making excuses for these ladies for years, TBH, which did not help me in the long term.
And so did the last guy you argued with, a.k.a.@generallemarc. He was RAPED by a woman, IIRC.
So we’ve gotten to the heart of it. Some women were mean to you and it scarred you forever and now you’re so caught up in your own personal issues you’ve totally missed the point, which isn’t surprising given you’re also moving the goalposts (probably because it would be actively absurd to continue claiming women are just as violent as men). Comparing women’s bad behavior to men’s is like comparing a fresh baked potato to a moldy potato you found on the ground. I’m sure some people have died of eating fresh baked potatos, but a moldy potato is far more disgusting and dangerous just as men are far more disgusting and dangerous. A handful of mean or abusive women doesn’t stack up against the centuries of atrocities that men have committed and continue to commit. You’re trying to pit a handful of personal anechdotes (which may be partially or completely made up, MRAs aren’t exactly reliable sources) against facts backed up by organizations like the FBI.
You even talk about how your dad was violent, but you make every excuse. To you, he is not responsible for his actions the way all the mean nasty women in your life are responsible for their actions (and responsible for the men’s actions as well). “It’s the ADHD, it’s the medication, it’s not his fault!” you say, trying to plead insanity for him even though people with ADHD are still fully responsible for their actions. To you your mother is only “playing the victim”, even though her husband is violent, it doesn’t count because he’s a man and he has ADHD. You’ve adopted unrealistic beliefs so that you don’t have to admit his culpability for his own actions and can instead blame mental illness and your mother.
I have to say, that female dean was wrong about you, clearly you’re just a regular idiot.
I like how the radfem troll never acknowledged female rapists.
And said you were ‘moving the goalposts’ from violence when they were the one who started by talking about men’s supposed attitudes toward women.
I also like the part where they pretend pregnancyisn’t really a choice for women and never was until recently, it’s just something men inflict on them.
Imagine being so sexist against men you deny women’s agency andchoices just so you can hate men more.
>He brought up the “but black people are also disproportionately violent” argument, which these MRAs seem to love. That they reach for this argument so quickly says some not-very-nice-things about how they view black people.
Actually, the fact that you can’t understand the actual point about prejudice and default to a personal attack based on either willful misunderstanding or delusions says a lot about you.
>Women are more at-threat from men than from women, white people are not more at-threat from black people than white people
So suddenly the specifics and details matter, according to someone who broad-brushed (checks notes) all of human history and gender relations.
Why didn’t you go one step farther? Should black people be more scared of black people than any other ethnic group? How about black women vsblack men like me? It’s the exact same logic.
>Men are vastly more violent everywhere across the globe and have been all throughout history, the same cannot be said about a particular race
Radfem carefully leaving out how men are mostly violent against other men to imply women are victims. Drink a drop.
The irony is that this same genius later brings up studies indicating that intra-gender bullying, including physical violence, is more common with boys than girls, and somehow thinks this supports her initial point about men hating and hurting women.
[…] Imagine living with someone for so many years, professing to love and cherish them, and willfully putting them in so much pain and at so much risk time, after time, after time. A woman would never, but most men would if they could, and historically most men have.
You say this as if there aren’t and weren’t women who wanted to have kids.
You say this as if husbands don’t talk to their wives about having kids.
You say this as if there aren’t and weren’t women who actively try to get pregnant to weaponise the pregnancy against me.
You say this as if all women - historical and modern - share your view of pregnancy as this awful curse of womanhood.
You don’t speak for all women, then or now. Kindly sew your lips together and shut the fuck up forever.
Signed,
A woman who wants children and has discussed having children with her husband.
>So we’ve gotten to the heart of it. Some women were mean to you and it scarred you forever
Radfem equates literal child abuse and discrimination to “being mean” no one is surprised. Speaking from experience though, most radfems act exactly like every female bully and abuser I have ever encountered. It’s all just self serving rhetoric to excuse their own toxic behaviors.
Radfems are the same folks who regularly equate “please try to not be maximally hateful to men at all times, in all places” with “coddling men”.
Honestly it’s that sentence, “so we’ve gotten to the heart of it. Some women were mean to you and it scarred you forever” that reveals just how much these people lack self-awareness.
When they talk about “peak transing” it’s over someone being mean to them. Most of the time, when they talk about hating men it’s either what statistics say, or what singular men have done to other people. When it comes to them, more often than not I’ve noticed, they haven’t experienced any of these things personally.
The fact that there is captured recordings of Johnny attempting SH, showing signs of depression and mental break episodes, using alcohol and substances as a coping mechanism, and the most common symptom of depression - lashing out, and it’s being used to damage him in this trial….
This just goes to show you how society treats people suffering from depression, especially men. It’s all “he is so aggressive and angry and violent,” rather than “I wonder why he is acting this way and should we look into it more?”
