#chat noir salt

If a character or idea would’ve been helpful to Marinette or made her life easier, it’ll be used to benefit Adrien in some way. (Or if it’s something that negatively affected Marinette, it’ll positively affect Adrien.)

- Kaalki would’ve enabled Marinette to escape off the train and back to Paris in “Hack-San” and thus no replacement Ladybug would be necessary and thus there would be no Adrichat shilling scene where she promises to never abandon him. (Also could’ve avoided Scarabella being nearly cataclysmed or Marinette could’ve showed up with the Horse to catch him in the act of doing so).

Meanwhile Kaalki and the use of voyage is immediately remembered in “Strike Back” to retrieve and recruit “Adrien” for the fight, and Maribug was going to use it to bring him back to Paris before Strike Back showed up anyways.

- Completely changing the name and look for a hero to pretend they’re a different person entirely/that they got replaced would’ve been SO helpful for literally ANY of the compromised temp heroes to avoid being targeted (Optygami), especially Alya (especially since she still chose to go by Rena and got only a recolor for a design change) and maybe with their safety insured Marinette would’ve potentially let them keep their miraculous instead (which would lessen the blow of the finale).

The idea however IS used for Adrien in “Kuro Neko”, but instead of doing so to deceive Shadow Moth, he’s deceiving Ladybug to keep the miraculous even after he impulsively quit.

- Risk’s powers affecting Marinette leads to her ‘making a mistake’ (that she would’ve had to be psychic to avoid) which ends up with Gabriel getting ALL the other miraculous.

Risk’s powers affecting Adrien got him to vent to Marinette about his feelings and got him to go along with the plan to switch places with Felix, keeping him in Paris completely (the trip gets cancelled anyways after Strike Back is defeated, and since Chat Noir was not neededin the fight, Adrien would’ve gotten to stay in Paris regardless even if he sat out the fight on the train).

- Su-Han and Alya’s absence in “Kuro Neko” prevent Marinette from having someone that could find a replacement for the cat instead, or at the very least call out Plagg’s blatant lies (Su-Han in particular would have), instead of having her stress out over it and be manipulated.

On the flip side, their absence means there’s nobody to find a replacement or call out Plagg’s lies, meaning there’s no one to stop Plagg’s plan to give the ring back to Adrien (since Tikki just goes along with it), meaning Adrien gets the ring back, no issue.

- Marinette is lamenting her breakup with Luka in “Gang of Secrets”, is at an emotional rock bottom, her upset is directly tied to her duties as Ladybug/Guardian and her identity. She can’t ask anyone for help without compromising herself, she directly asks for help and receives nothing from Tikki/the Kwami. Her friends then barge into her room and mess with her things, giving her no room to breathe or process.

Adrien is at an emotional low in “Glaciator 2” after a firm rejection from Ladybug, but his problems are about his heartbreak, it isn’t a problem completely hinged on his identity and it’s something that could be talked about without compromising himself/his identity as Chat. Kagami offers him help directly without him even asking for it, and unlike Marinette who’s despair was made worse by her friends trying to pry and force her to talk with little regard to her feelings, Adrien is instantly comforted by Marinette attempting to give him a gift and Gabriel calling off the akuma and bringing him home with an offer to talk about it, no invasive attempts to get him to talk are made and his feelings aren’t disregarded.

- Luka finding out Marinette’s identity in Truth would’ve not only given her a more reliable confidant than Alya, but Lukanette’s relationship would’ve stayed intact and thereby avoided a lot of the things that went wrong for Marinette throughout the season. (Truth could’ve been avoided altogether, GOS wouldn’t have happened, Sentibubbler wouldn’t have happened, etc). See this post for a full breakdown: here.

Luka finding out Adrien’s identity (along with Marinette’s) makes it so not only can Luka be used to support the square (as well as a writing excuse to keep him away since his presence would break the paper thin plots the writers present us with), but him finding out the way he did and not telling Marinette about it ONLY serves to protect Adrien (if Luka was made to divulge how he found out their identities, Chat would be painted in a bad light to Maribug, Luka keeping quiet effectively shields Adrien from consequences).

- Speaking of Luka, him specifically being in the finale would’ve probably saved the miraculous from getting taken, as well as minimizing any collateral damage from Strike Back. There’s little-to-no chance SB could absorb his Second Chance ability (especially since doing so seems to require direct contact going by the other times it absorbed any abilities) so he could reverse damage as well as be able to warn the other heroes about Strike Back. Then he would’ve immediately caught onto the fact that Flairmidable was an imposter, with how Maribug was fawning over him Luka would likely put two and two together and realize she thinks it’s Adrien when he knows it can’t be. He’d have to come clean to her about his knowledge of their identities, but that would enable them to put a stop to Felix before he pulled what he did with the Dog miraculous. Meaning Gabriel doesn’t get all the miraculous.

Luka not being present in the finale makes the fight more dire, more collateral damage happens, and with no one to call out Felix, Felix runs off, hands Gabriel all the miraculous, and gives Adrien exactly what he wants: Ladybug having him and only him to rely on, with no backup. No more having to “feel replaced” and no more sharing her with the others. He is made her “most important partner” by being made her ONLY OPTION.

This is alljustfrom season 4, and even then I’m sure there’s ones I’ve forgotten.

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mehraculous:

Not to be edgy or whatever but I did have a dark fic where Marinette loses her memory and hands over Guardianship to the Order so they can handle Hawk Moth, but Adrien deduces that she’s Ladybug as a result and starts trying to date her. Alya is initially supportive but realises Adrien is sort of unsettling, getting jealous whenever Marinette hangs out with other friends and seeming kinda curt with Alya and Nino. Marinette meanwhile just doesn’t understand the difference between platonic and romantic love and because she doesn’t know Adrien or remember his actions during Origins, she doesn’t really feel anything for him beyond friendship.

Which we all know how he usually handles.

I’m living for this. 

miraculouscontent:

Anonymous asked:

miraculous ladybug is a girl?? empowerment??? show???? why does marinette get bashed every episode even when she’s done nothing wrong then? why does adrien never face the consequences of his actions and have the entirety of paris fawning all over him  then? heck, the recent finales are all catalysts to worsen maribug’s mental and emotional health. do they want her to suffer that much?

Anonymous asked:

Can someone kidnap Marinette and put her in another show already? Give my poor girl a break

I thought they couldn’t screw her up more than season 3 finale did but here we are

I’ve never seen writers so determined to absolutely destroy their female protagonist’s mental state just for the sake of propping up their male love interest.

Like–if the guy was so great, maybe they wouldn’t need to do it??

And at that point, it just feels like they have to keep tearing her about and dragging her down until she’ll accept AdriChat. Pre-umbrella scene is probably the “best”(?) Marinette will ever be (tbh I’d even prefer pre-Ladybug Marinette because she might grow better without it so longer as she has a good support system) and everything past that is a fall off a cliff.

Adrien just serves as the ground she’s going to crash into in the end.

miraculouscontent:

Anonymous asked:

My God does Strike Back really culminate in the writers’ ethos on how the LS works. That FUCKING breakdown actually enraged me a bit like holy shit. it’s clearly framed as this huge manganimous thing Chat’s doing and uwu superhero corner is winning out guys uwu.

LB breaks down in the saddest fucking moment and the writers still have to have her say ‘I didn’t trust you and kept secrets from you’ to him  as if Kuro Neko ain’t still fresh in all our fucking minds of just HOW untrustworthy this guy actually is, like my god….

They really had the gall to have “Kuro Neko” be, what, two episodes away from the finale? And did it all with a straight face.

And if you insert “Miraculous New York” into the canon (where Ladybug rightfully said that she couldn’t trust Chat Noir anymore), then he was the one who’d already proved that he couldn’t be trusted, yet two episodes into Season 4 they’re pretending it didn’t happen.

“I didn’t trust you!” wow I can’t imagine what perfectly valid reason you had for doing that, Ladybug, but I guess there’s no time to talk about that (nor the trauma they gave her explicitly so she’d be afraid to get close to him)

Anonymous asked:

Considering how Angstrien’s plot this season involved him whining about how MariBug is learning to rely on people that aren’t him, I should’ve seen it coming that they’d take away all the residual miraculous.

Now she has to fall in love with him, guys! She’s isolated, miserable, and overwhelmed, so much so that any remaining standards she has will fall by the wayside as she falls for the only person she has left. They’ve been breaking her down to rock bottom so that even someone as unreliable and self serving as AdriChat would look like a good choice!

What an amazing Girl Power show this has turned out to be!

I genuinely feel like people forget that this is supposed to be a girl power show and not “The Adrien Agreste Show.”

God, season five is going to be so bad. I bet the narritive will force Maribug to fall in-love with Adrichat. That’s not even mentioning the smug gloating of the toxic adristans and love square stans. I’m crying just thinking about how much the stupid is going ti be kicked into overdrive.

miraculouscontent:

Anonymous submitted:

It’s hardly surprising that Adrien’s stans expect Luka to move heaven and earth for his sake.  That’s what the series is training them to expect, after all.  Marinette’s the most obvious example, but even a cursory look at his dynamics with other characters reveals that Adrien is all take and no real give.  The things he offers in exchange for the others’ services have no real substance, no value.

Take Nino, for instance.  “Bubbler” has him fighting tirelessly for Adrien’s sake, so that he can have a birthday party – something that ultimately gets him akumatized and leads to a lot of innocent victims facing asphyxiation and/or a horrible demise in the upper atmosphere… but hey, what does THAT matter so long as Adrien has a good time?  The trauma and horror everyone faced – including Nino having his emotions twisted to Hawkmoth’s murderous ends.

Then there’s the infamous “Party Crasher” showing Nino and the other boys casually ditching the girls, breaking their promises and shrugging off their responsibilities because Adrien ‘needs’ them to throw a massive house party.  Because no matter what, Adrien and his happiness should be their – and everyone’s – top priority.

Chloe is a horrible excuse for a friend, yet Adrien constantly makes excuses for her behavior because “That’s just how Chloe is; she’ll never change.“  The only times Adrien is willing to call her out on her attitude is when he’s personally affected by her antics, such as with the fire alarm.  The same applies with Lila: only Adrien is allowed to draw the line.  Marinette is not permitted to make that call, and demonized for daring to get upset over how she’s been bullied and mistreated.

After all, Marinette is being trained NOT to stand up for herself.  Because Adrien doesn’t want her to.  In order to be his ‘ideal girlfriend’, she has to bend to his every whim… and the same applies to everyone else around him.  His ‘true friends’ are expected to enable him.  To prioritize HIM over everything and everyone else, including themselves.

Chloe and Lila both believe the world should revolve around THEM, and are presented as wrong, evil and selfish for it.  Clearly they don’t recognize that it actually revolves around Adrieninstead.

^^^^^^

THIIIIIIS

Also, Marinette will be bashed no matter what. If she doesn’t prioritize him 24/7, she’s wrong, but when she does, things go terribly for her. The show wants to have its cake and eat it too, training Marinette (I really like how you worded that, by the way) to prioritize Adrien so the whole show can revolve around him as much as possible (with only exceptions being episodes needed to set up stuff to blame her for in the future, like “Silencer”->”Truth” and “Gang of Secrets”->”Rocketear”) while simultaneously punishing her for it.

(Another note on “Party Crasher” too is that “Mega Leech” pretended to be all about the environment and how important it supposedly is to the writers, as if they didn’t say “Adrien > The Environment” at the end of “Party Crasher”…)

in an episode of My Life as a Teenage Robot; there is a montage of Sheldon Lee trying to ask out Jenny but she is busy fighting villains and annoyed keeps having to say ”not now Sheldon”.

Plus a stalker with his crush.

Just like how Ladybug has to deal with Chat’s inappropriate flirting including that stupid timing during Oblivio when she was shielding them both from a memory erasing Akuma and one of many instances showing that he shouldn’t have been given the ring.

The two superhero girls should meet in a fanfic and be superhero BFFs.

@nobodyfamousposts you ever saw the show?

21. The Impulse to Take A Brick to Someone’s Face - Ladybug’s patience is tested 

Chat Noir dodged the akuma’s blast by leaping nearer to Ladybug. Cheekily he leaned on his staff and grinned at Ladybug.

“After this m’lady, we should go to Andres’ ice cream and get sweethearts ice cream.” Chat said confidently. Ladybug dodged another blast and glared at Chat.

“Chat Noir, this isn’t the time! And no I will not go get ice cream with you!” Ladybug replied, using her yoyo as a shield for another blast as she carefully looked over the akuma to find the correct object. 

“Of course it is! This afternoon sunset is the purrfect time for a romantic date, Bugaboo!” Chat exclaimed and wiggled his eyebrows at Ladybug. She rolled her eyes and sighed.

“Stop calling me Bugaboo and I already told you Chat, I won’t date you. I like someone else!” Although, that someone else was shifting to another person, Chat didn’t need to know that. The akuma stopped in its tracks, recharging its weapon glaring at Ladybug. Ladybug took this moment to call her lucky charm, a blanket, before looking around trying to figure out how to use it.

“Even the lucky charm agrees with me,” Chat continued, “a blanket to cuddle under while we watch the stars appear!” 

“Not now, Chat!” Ladybug said angrily, frantically looking around trying to figure out what to do with the blanket. Her lucky vision was lighting up, grabbing the things she needed while Chat distracted the Akuma, Ladybug headed over to the construction site and looked for a decent sized hole to cover. Ladybug laid the blanket out, covering the hole putting rocks on the corners so the blanket wouldn’t fall into the hole and signaled Chat to come her way. 

Chat nodded and started to draw the akuma toward LB, taunting it on the way, Chat flashed a smile at Ladybug when he got closer, missing the fact the akuma shot at him and got hit, taking Chat, once again, out of the fight. 

Ladybug face palmed and dragged her hand down the side of her face in frustration. “Okay, plan B.” 

“Hey! I’m over here! Don’t you want my Miraculous?!” Ladybug called out. The akuma spotted her and charged forward. Ladybug waited a moment before moving and allowing for the akuma to catch up to her but before the akuma got within 5 feet of her it fell into the pit trap.

Quickly tearing the akumatized object, Ladybug catches the akuma and purifies it, the purple bubbles fall down the akuma and leave a middle aged man in construction clothes. Ladybug takes the blanket and throws it into the air with a “Miraculous Ladybug!” cleaning up any damage the akuma may have caused. 

Chat Noir jumps toward Ladybug and tries to take her hand, Ladybug doesn’t let him get that far and pulls away. The construction worker stands as Ladybug offers her hand and sees him off with a “Don’t worry too much, you’ll finish your project in time!” and faces Chat with an annoyed expression. 

“Chat Noir, what was that?! You were supposed to help me!” Ladybug screeched at him. Chat flicked his tail slowly and grins at Ladybug  

“Ready for that date?” He asked instead. Ladybug wanted to scream. She blew a harsh breath between her teeth and glared at Chat.

“NO! I already told you, I don’t want to date you AND I’m not interested!” Ladybug was losing her patience with the cat. Chat Noir pouted at her declaration. 

“You just don’t see it yet, but we are meant to be Bugaboo, I just want you to love me as I love you and I-” Ladybug cut him off with a flick of her wrist, wrapped the yoyo around him and drew him near so they were face to face.

“No. We are not. Cut it out Chat Noir, I’m sick of this fantasy of yours.” Ladybug let him lose and gave her hardest glare at him. Something seemed to sink in because his grin fell from his face and a frown appeared.

“You need me Ladybug, just as much as I need you, and you’ll see at the next akuma attack.” 

Chat raced away before Ladybug could respond, she wasn’t sure what he was talking about but, it was an easier time to go home without him following her. 

Shaking off his last words, Ladybug aimed her yoyo and set off toward home. She was thinking really hard about her back-up plan but would wait a bit longer for Master Fu’s decision. 

As soon as Ladybug hit the roof of her balcony she dropped the transformation, Tikki flew out in a huff. 

“Ooh, that Chat Noir! That is no way to treat your partner!” 

Marinette nodded, slightly lost in thought on the last thing Chat said. She wasn’t sure what he meant by that but it seemed like things were escalating. Marinette started to worry a bit.

“Tikki, what if Chat is right and I’ve been-” 

“Marinette, stop. Remember what your uncle said and what Luka said. It’s not your responsibility, you only need to focus on your feelings and needs.”

“But-” 

Tikki flies up to Marinette’s face and cuddles her cheek. Marinette stops talking and cups the little kwami.

“Your mental health is just as important and I think another talk with Master Fu will help.” As Tikki finished she floated back a bit to get a fuller look at her chosen’s face. Marinette looked tired and soul-weary. Tikki rubbed her flippers together and hesitated. 

“Maybe you should talk to him tonight? But if you feel tired then let’s go to bed a little early and rest!” Marinette looked surprised for a moment then smiled sweetly. 

“Okay, I’ll see if Master Fu is available tonight and if not then I’ll go to bed early. Sound good to you?” 

Tikki nodded and watched as Marinette messaged Master Fu and settled down into her bed after setting alarms and getting confirmation from Fu. In a few moments Marinette was asleep. Tikki watched in, concern clear in her eyes.

Chapter 22

https://archiveofourown.org/works/34663405/chapters/96008599

Hey so I haven’t seen the ep so correct me if I’m wrong but did. did Chat Noir really start BREAKING THINGS because he wasn’t included in the plan for the akuma??? And people think that’s justified??? Hello???