-Have you ever had any experience with that? -20 years of counselling, yeah I’ve seen some pretty awful shit -I mean….have you had any…experience with that -You mean personally? Yeah I have -It sure ain’t good -My father was an alcoholic, mean fuckin’ drunk, come home hammered lookin’ to wail somebody - so I had to provoke him so he wouldn’t go after my mother and little brother. Interesting nights were when he wore his rings… -He use to just put a- um- a wrench, a stick and a belt on the table and say ‘chose’ -I gotta go with the belt there -I use to go with the wrench -Why the wrench? -Because fuck him that’s why -Your foster father? -Yeah