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The Satanic Temple’s Lucien Greaves: “I’m an Aryan king!”

In 2018, audio surfaced of The Satanic Temple co-owner and co-founder Lucien Greaves engaging in a conversation of grotesque Jew-hatred.

CW: antisemitism

In lieu of closed captions, here is the transcript of that exchange, starting at “I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish, and they wear a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around [thinking] they’re God’s chosen people.”

Greaves, whose real name is Doug Misicko, was then using a different pseudonym of “Doug Mesner”, and is the first person you hear in the clip. He was co-hosting a 24-hour Internet radio stream with his friend Shane Bugbee and Shane’s wife Amy Bugbee, the other primary two voices in that clip. The laughing person is a caller, one Gerod Staaf.

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Lucien Greaves discusses the best basis for eugenics and forcible sterilization with White Aryan Resistance founder Tom Metzger

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[Full 24-hour “Might Is Right” Internet radio show transcript for context]

20:02:23Doug Misicko: Well, I tend to feel that racialism can be too general, at times. I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction. But on racial grounds, I really don’t see it because you got to admit you meet some Black people are smarter than a lot of white people you met and vice versa. And all the rest. And if through the top notch, were the ones breeding, carrying on, that would be the best way to go.

20:02:54Tom Metzger: Yeah, there are gray areas, there’s overlap. But on the other hand, I’m, you see, you might see a white crow sometime too. But most crows are black. [laughter] I mean, if you judge the Black race by it, by its whole, you got you must come up with the idea that the def- definitely an inferior race.

20:03:13Doug Misicko: Well, if that was being the case…

20:03:15Tom Metzger: You’re saying that there’s mixed race, Blacks- mulattos that are sharp and smart. Once in a while there’s a jet black Negro, that’s very smart. Sure there is. And there’s a lot of stupid whites.

20:03:26Doug Misicko: But that being the case, you still wouldn’t have to enact racial laws, you just have to enact intelligence laws. And if that was being the case, then that good segment of the population would have to drop off, you could still do it on an equal level around the board.

20:03:41Tom Metzger: Well, we’ll leave you the project of raising the IQ of the Black race till about 140. And I’ll be standing by when you’re successful.

20:03:51Amy Bugbee: It’s going to be quite a task. I think.

20:03:54Tom Metzger: That’s gonna keep you busy for a long time.

20:03:56Doug Misicko: I don’t think the average white IQ is anywhere near 140.

20:04:01Tom Metzger: That’s true, but on the par, they’re higher than Blacks by probably 20 points. Most of the Third Reich, people, including Hitler, they were all above 120. And most of them are about 140.

20:04:18Doug Misicko: They actually took IQ tests?

20:04:20Tom Metzger: Yes, they did while they were in Nuremberg prison, awaiting trial. And the lowest IQ in the whole bunch was Julius Streicher. And he was 120. So I think if you do a, you know, an IQ test in Europe, among the educated whites, and then try to compare it to Blacks going to any university in the world, you’re going to see a difference. Already, they’ve already done that to where they have upscale Blacks going to these schools down in Maryland. And they were doing worse than a white kid is doing an Appalachia. So no, don’t ever forget race is a very important thing.

20:05:01Amy Bugbee: Absolutely, I know my sister always says how Blacks have only been civilized for a few 100 years so, they’re never going to catch up. You know, my, I’m never gonna be older than my older sister. So…

20:05:15Tom Metzger: I’ve heard that. Some estimates are that they are supposedly around 250,000 years behind, as a race. And of course, I’m not convinced we even come from the same source. I have, I have a very hard time believing that.

20:05:34Amy Bugbee: I agree with you. I think that there’s different species of humans or human related beings. I don’t think that we’re necessarily the same species as Blacks or Asians, you know, or any number of other races.

20:05:52Tom Metzger: If you’ll read the works of Carlton Kuhn, he pretty much brings forth the idea of separate development of the races in different areas of the world. Not all in Africa. We may have come from another planet for all I know,

20:06:10Amy Bugbee: I’m with you there.

Lucien Greaves talks Jewish bloodlines and hate crimes with White Aryan Resistance founder Tom Metzger

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[Full 24-hour “Might Is Right” Internet radio show transcript for context]

19:34:58Doug Misicko: Alright, Tom. A book came out about a couple weeks ago called “A Hundred Little Hitlers”, about a case that you were indirectly involved in. Where you were sued for supposedly inciting some skinheads to kill an Ethiopian. Have you read it? And what do you think of it?

19:35:12Tom Metzger: Yeah, yeah, I read it. And that was Eleanor Langer. She spent about 10 years writing that book. And she’s been here in Fallbrook, where I live, two or three times, and she’s done a million interviews, and it’s reasonably fair book. There are some errors, in it and exaggerations, but uh…

19:35:30Doug Misicko: Like what?

19:35:32Tom Metzger: Well, she said that I didn’t chase the defendants around or I mean, these witnesses around enough like David Rosella and get their deposition. And she seems to forget, I was a working man, I didn’t have the money to chase ‘em around and Morris Dees was paying the main witness, 5-600 bucks a month. He took him on trips and fishing trips in the Gulf of Mexico. Offered him a part in a movie and then he paid him, got him a house to live in, got him a job and paid him off, all the time up until the Supreme Court refused to hear our case. So, he was hiding these witnesses, so I couldn’t oppose them and I just didn’t have the money or the expertise to chase him around the country. And I don’t remember every little thing, mistake, because some of them are just little errors he made but then towards the end of the book, she says that Dees has access to my PO Box, which she knows better than that, because I took her to the PO Box and let her watch me open it up and take the money out and take- take the letters out and all that kind of stuff. So.

19:36:46Doug Misicko: So you got along with her generally, the author?

19:36:49Tom Metzger: Pardon me?

19:36:49Doug Misicko: You got along with her. The author of the book.

19:36:51Tom Metzger: Got along with her pretty well, she’s Jewish, but she seemed to be pretty fair. Once in a while you run into one like that.

19:36:58Doug Misicko: So not necessarily being Jewish is something you have against somebody, or is it?

19:37:04Tom Metzger: Well I-uh I certainly would in a lot of ways, look at them carefully. But if they treated me right, and they were honest with me, then I’d give them respect.

19:37:15Doug Misicko: So it’s the Jewish belief you object to not the bloodline?

19:37:18Tom Metzger: It’s the mindset that many of them had. I mean, what we’re dealing with is hybrids, when you talk about Jewry. You have you have aryan Jews, biologically aryan. You’ve got Chinese Jews, biologically Chinese. And you’ve got Black- like lots of Jews that are biologically Black, but they’re Jewish. So that part of it I think is a mindset.

19:37:49Doug Misicko: So you mean they’re Zionists? They’re, they’re following a Zionist movement. They’re part of an international cabal?

19:37:53Tom Metzger: This cult has been around for a long time, you know, from the Middle East. And then, of course, a hybrid, mixed-race person who happens to be Jewish, is number one mixed race. Don’t accept them anyhow. So I, I’m pretty much of the belief that a person is biologically white and obviously white and European to look at them, that they can, they can quit being Jewish. I mean, many people quit being Baptist and Catholics. So why couldn’t they quit being Jewish?

19:38:27Shane Bugbee: Right, but people of Jewish bloodline can also quit being Jewish.

19:38:29Tom Metzger: I don’t necessarily buy the Jewish bloodline idea. I know that gets me in trouble with some people. But I used to take that track. But I think that may be a mistake. I believe it’s a cultural mindset thing. And though they may have lived in one area for a long time and adapted a certain blood connection, they can’t be… They can’t be really connected to a race. I mean, as a race. As a Jewish race. I think really, that’s where there’s been some mistakes made. I get in trouble with a lot of right wingers because they want to just push the Jewish race thing.

19:39:14Doug Misicko: Well, they are a distinct phenotype…