#daenerys defense squad
People giving Ned Stark a pass for wanting to behead Jorah for selling poachers into slavery because “slavery is illegal in Westeros” but not giving Dany a pass for killing slavers in Slaver’s Bay because “it’s part of their culture”…
You are not anti slavery. You are just anti breaking the “law.”
That’s how all the great houses started, isn’t it? With a hard bastard who was good at killing people. Kill a few hundred people, they make you a Lord. Kill a few thousand, they make you KingQueen.
—Bronn of the Blackwater, 8x04
The Iron Bank backed Cersei over Daenerys because Daenerys had freed the slaves of Slaver’s Bay.
When Cersei was giving her pitch to whats-his-face from Sherlock, and he told her that the Lannisters were in quite a lot of debt, she points out to him that Lannisters always pay their debts and asks him how debts get paid by former slaves.
The Iron Bank backed Cersei because they knew with Daenerys out of the way, the Slave Trade would return to Essos, therefore earning back the Iron Bank one of it’s main sources of profit.
And yet, we’re still supposed to see Dany’s war for the Iron Throne as a bad thing….?
That scene in Season 7 essentially told us, slavery would return to the regions Dany had worked hard for nearly her entire show arc to eradicate, if she did not win the throne. We saw yet another thing at stake if Dany were to lose.
But Dany’s the bad guy for wanting to eliminate Cersei?
D&D are truly fools. They paid 0 attention to the drivel they wrote themselves and expected us to not pay attention too.
I’m sorry, but no.
The more I think about it, the less I accept this fucking bullshit. Not that I was ever going to come to terms with the dumpster fire that was Season 8, but now, more than ever, I realize how utterly ridiculous it was for us to see Dany as the villain.
D&D: Yeah, you know, the way Dany reacts to her husband killing her abusive brother who literally just threatened to cut out her unborn child from her womb was really cold and was totally foreshadowing of her going mad later on.
Tyrion: *literally murders his own father with a crossbow after first murdering his ex lover after finding her in his father’s bed*
D&D: Yeah, Tyrion’s a pacifist.
“If Tyrion needs to give a speech to explain to the audience why this person is a “Mad Queen”, it’s because there was no carefully planned foreshadowing.”
I am HERE for this tea today.
I know I’ve mentioned something similar to this before, but I had another shower thought today about our dearly departed Queen and had to write it:
Daenerys is the only person who fought for the good of the people.
No one else in the entire story even comes close to attempting to make the common people’s lives better, or thinks of them at all really.
Sure, Jon’s fight in wanting to save people from the army of the dead is important.
But Jon’s fight also saves his own skin. If the army of the dead come, he’s dead too.
Dany’s fight against slavers and nobles does not affect her if she were to just peace-out and give it up. She’d still be a Targaryen. She’d still have a claim to the throne. She’d still be a Queen.
She doesn’t need to help the people she helps throughout the story. Yet she does it anyway.
This is why the ending to Game of Thrones is doubly frustrating because the audience has never seen anyone else fight for the kind of people Dany was fighting for… so we’re just left with the same broken system and the same awful hacks who kept the wheel spinning.
Some dumb idiot: Dany didn’t care about the Dothraki culture! She didn’t join the Dosh Khaleen when Drogo died! If she really cared about the Dothraki, she should have joined them! She was only using the Dothraki for her own gain!
Me: Sooooo…. a girl who was sold as a child bride into a culture that is foreign to her is required to live by their oppressive standards for the rest of her life, otherwise she “disrespects” their culture and is only using them?
Hmm? Methinks your logic is fucked dear person.
So…I’m finally sitting down and reading the Meereenese Knot Essays and… I just…
“My take is that Dany’s overall course of action in Meereen was moral, correct, admirable, and effective — that the peace she created was real, albeit fragile, like most peaces are.”
How do antis view these essays as support for their arguments again? I’m only on essay 2 but this line obliterates like, over half of antis arguments against Dany, as people usually say Dany is immoral,incorrect, and ineffective as a leader in Meereen.
But the guy who wrote the essays most antis praise disagrees with that assessment and actually thinks Dany a good Queen? Weird.
So, yes, I’m in the midst of working on the last two episodes of my Original Final Season 7 (kinda) Meta Series.
And I was thinking about all the pieces of proof we have that S8 was all retconned and I came across this: (Granted, many people have pointed this out. But I just want to talk about it in detail)
In Season 2, we have this image from Dany’s HOTU scene:
The 7 Pointed Star is in the window behind the Iron Throne.
According to the 8x06 DVD commentary (from what I’ve read, haven’t listened to it myself), D&D claim they started thinking about Jon and Dany’s final scene together back when they were doing Season 3 or 4.
Which means they were thinking about Jon’s and Dany’s final scene together after they wrote, filmed, and released the episode which the image above is from.
So in Season 7, we get this:
This is a change only made in Season 7.
When Cersei is crowned queen at the end of Season 6, the 7 Pointed Star is still in the window, not the Lannister sigil:
So, at this point, according to D&D, when they wrote and filmed Season 7, they should have known Jon’s and Dany’s final scene. Perhaps the script for S8 wasn’t written yet. But they should have known (allegedly) that Jon would kill Dany in the throne room of the Red Keep, where the room would be a mirror of her vision back in Season 2.
But the sigil changed. Making Dany’s Season 2 vision…incorrect.
Now, if D&D knew as far back as S3 or S4 that they would have Jon kill Dany in the throne room of the Red Keep…why not tell the set dressers to leave the 7 Pointed Star as is behind the Iron Throne so that the scenes would match?
Instead, because of the change, they then had to blow out the entire back wall of the throne room so that the window dressing wasn’t an issue:
Likewise, Bran’s vision of a dragon flying over King’s Landing from Season 4:
Now, this scene was written around the time D&D were planning Jon’s and Dany’s last scene - the death scene. They likely knew they wanted the death scene to mirror Dany’s S2 vision - where there is SNOW in the throne room.
However, when we see a dragon flying over King’s Landing in Bran’s S4 vision, it’s sunny outside. The roof tops of King’s Landing are not covered in snow. It doesn’t even appear to be winter.
Now, if D&D are telling the truth in that all of this was planned years and years ago…
Why not make Bran’s vision of a dragon flying over King’s Landing be set during the winter? Why not have the city covered in snow when Dany attacks so that it will jive with the throne room scene which is most definitely set during winter due to the snow on the throne?
I’ll tell you why:
BECAUSE THEY’RE FUCKING LYING.
The throne room wall has to get blown out entirely to hide the mistake of the sigil change and King’s Landing has to go from 85 and sunny to like 20 and snowing over the course of a couple hours just to make these two “visions” jive together and make it look like they had planned this all along.
Which we know they didn’t.
So in conclusion, FUCK D&D.
(BTW Bran’s S4 vision also included a shot of the throne room and it also has the 7 Pointed Star sigil behind the Iron Throne so why were Bran and Dany both wrong about this?)
Dany not having as many chapters in ACOK or ASOS is meaningless given how much depth and importance Martin gave to her chapters in both novels. ACOK Dany IV is one of the most analyzed chapters in the entire series, alongside ADWD Bran III, for the very simple reason that they are both very important magical chapters in the magical storyline. ACOK Dany IV is so relevant that multiple subsets within the fandom utilize prophecies about Dany for their own favorite characters and ships. Tell me again that Dany’s ACOK arc only having 5 chapters is a “bad sign” for Dany, lol?
As for ASOS, what Dany accomplishes in ASOS is what other characters either haven’t achieved after five published novels or would need two to three books to accomplish even a tenth of. Dany’s sack of Astapor, Yunkai, and Meereen are some of the series most iconic scenes. You ask anyone outside of the biased hub of ASOIAF internet fandoms what iconic ASOIAF scenes are and they’ll list the birth of the dragons (which is also Dany, lol), Dany in Slaver’s Bay, the Red Wedding, Ned’s execution, the Purple Wedding, Ygritte’s death, Theon’s betrayal of the Starks, Theon saving Jeyne Poole, Brienne and Jaime in the bear pit, Cersei’s walk of shame, Tyrion’s use of wildfire during Stannis’ attempted siege, Tyrion’s trial, Oberyn’s combat with the Mountain, etc. And again, she accomplished that within just six chapters.
It’s not actually good look for the asoiaf fandom and its faves that Dany accomplishes more in 5 chapters of ACOK and 6 chapters of ASOS and does things more relevant and crucial to both the magical and political plot lines than several other characters have accomplished in five books.
It’s a bad argument to begin with because she has 31 chapters (the second most female viewpoint chapters) and is in the top five for chapter count (she’s fourth on the list after Tyrion, Jon, and Arya) and the highest page count for female viewpoints. She’s unabashedly one of the protagonists of AGOT and ADWD both.
Dany paradox in action again. On here, people claim that one reason Dany’s arc is orientalist is that GRRM didn’t depict any successful slave revolts prior to Dany’s revolution and thus that having the figurehead of a continent-wide slave revolt being an absolutist conqueror-queen is bad (lol), and of course use this and other logic to portray Dany as an imperialist tyrant. On twitter, this idiotic white guy claims that Dany actually hasn’t done enough and that she’s “only” helped the slaves of Meereen and “only” freed the slaves of Meereen and derides her for not successfully abolishing slavery in the entire continent. His response to me asking for just one successful CONTINENT-WIDEslave revolt was Braavos and the Faceless Men, as if the FM have been able to abolish slavery in even Pentos, and as if the slaves that fled Valyria and rebelled abolished slavery continent-wide. What they did was absolutely admirable (and a direct counterargument to the antis on here who claim that GRRM hasn’t portrayed any slave revolts before), but it wasn’t a continent-wide slave revolt, nor did it attempt to abolish slavery in the entire continent.
Like, again, Dany is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
emilia clarle’s eyes are literally a work of art.
New Chapter for the week!
~Game of Thrones season 7 and 8 reimagined~
The fate of Westeros hangs in the balance as the Seven Kingdoms navigate through the dust cloud Cersei’s crowning as Queen has created. Enemies from the deep north rise and walk towards the living. The seas have gone dry, the sun was setting, the Long Night is coming.
Watching Law and Order SVU and the episode was from 2020. The episode ended with the victim winning the case and she painted a mural to symbolize vindication and vengeance. And that mural depicted the victim with platinum blonde hair on a white horse, riding through the desert with white, green, and black dragons behind her. Another clear Daenerys reference depicting her as the heroine she is.
This is the mural.
this will always be a daenerys targaryen stan account
A sequel involving Jon Snow?? And what would it be about? Either Daenerys comes back or they can keep it.
