Do you think there are 2 The Devils/ actually The Devil we fight is not the real one?

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Ok so this is just my theory, no assumption though happy to hear your opinion.

Do you ever think about how different The Devil (tarot meaning) is comparing to the archetype in The Arcana?

In tarot meaning, The Devil simply means indulgence and material pleasure. It also contains attachments, restrictions, commitment and limitations. Sounds like what? Yes Lucio in his golden times, party and such, with contracts and all. Nothing about being evil or malevolent. The Devil, like every other Major Arcana, is just an idea, a form of pure and ancient energy in human subconscious. He shouldn’t be bad or good since he doesn’t really reflect human emotions or desires but the spirit and thoughts. Though if he really reflects them, he should be somewhere like a party animal with crazy all days and nights celebrations, maybe sometimes gains contracts with human as exchange for commitment - not necessarily beneficial to him because does he actually care? Curiousity and entertainment may not the thing because it actually doesn’t fit his archetype if we sticks to the card meaning.

Those are the features of human. You can say maybe he attaches too much to human he might gains those characteristics but think about this: what if The Devil we see in the game is actually not the real Major Arcana? What if it really actually is just a human?

In Julian’s route, The Devil appeared in the Masquerade to offer a deal to both MC and Julian. Devs did mention before that The Arcana realm is separated from our human world, why can he travel to our world? That’s when I came up with this idea, that he’s not actually the real one.

Since Lucio is confirmed to possesed the same skill like The Fool, some of you might argue that The Devil uses his ability to travel to this world. There are some reasons that I’m still thinking about that this can’t persuade me. Lucio doesn’t train to use that ability, even The Fool still has to practise a lot (Nadia’s Reversed Ending) before they can actually open a gate from this world to another world. You may say The Devil might know about this but depends on his lack of fondness when working with Lucio, I suppose not.

Tldr; The Devil we know is not The real Devil.

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Interest has been shown and the thought won’t leave my brain so I’m putting this on the table for discussion.

First let me be transparent: if allowed I will talk for ages about how people aren’t taught critical thinking and media analysis and if they are that they aren’t applying those tools where it counts. It’s something I see so frequently and I’ll get so driven up the wall about and I’ll lament for ages the way that educational systems have failed to teach these tools or how little push there actually is on a widespread scale to learn and implement them.

But over the last 24 hours with instances on several fronts and in several fandoms, an additional thought has repeatedly been popping up that I think needs to coexist with this discussion.

And that is that there is a human being behind every take you disagree with.

It’s easy to focus on the frustration and the issue and wanting to push for ways to improve the situation to the point I think sometimes it’s easy to forget the individual people.

While I don’t intend to point fingers to any one example (because again, I’ve been seeing this sort of issue in multiple fandom spaces on multiple platforms over the past day,) I feel like it’s still something to bring up. Just hear me out on this. Fandom isn’t necessarily a space where the intent is to always analyze and think critically about what we consume, but utilizing those tools can provide a more enriching experience with the source material, open up new discussions with other fans, and allow for a greater understanding of the source material and its creators and its impact(s).

But just as much as that, fandom isn’t necessarily intended for that level of engagement, at least not as a mandatory requirement. Many fans don’t consume a thing they enjoy for the sake of deeper thought and analysis, and this means that many times their opinions, headcanons, elements they enjoy, and understanding of the source material is going to differ drastically from that of a person who does those deeper dives.

And that’s fine.*

There is a caveat there and I’ll get to it, but I really would like to see this point as the main one for consideration in this discussion. Not everyone consumes movies, shows, books, podcasts, games, etc. with an automatic need or desire to analyze the media on a deeper level. Heck, even people who DO have that tendency are going to encounter things that they just engage with on a level of trying to simply enjoy it.

And that’s okay. Not everyone has had the opportunity to learn those things. Not everyone wants to always dissect everything they engage with, and trying to do that anyway is exhausting. (And if you’re trying to do that with the intent of seeking media purity, it’s doubly exhausting because you’re chasing something that cannot exist, and I would like to suggest that you reevaluate this because it WILL rob you of your ability to enjoy ANYTHING.)

And I think it’s important to remember that when we hit that point. That there’s another person. That no matter how much it may cause us frustration when we encounter people who show signs of not knowing or understanding the same things we do about something we’ve taken the time to really break down and understand, there’s still another person and we don’t know the circumstances behind why their experience is different nor are we entitled to know. I mean, YEAH, it’s frustrating when prevailing ideas about the source material within a fandom become commonplace and are either blatantly wrong/ignorant or don’t show enough analysis. But I feel like we also need to remember to be mindful of individual people even when expressing our frustrations and dislikes of ideas or attitudes that lack understanding.

Now. Here’s that *caveat.

When someone’s lack of understanding, lack of thinking, lack of being willing to go beyond the surface and understand the impacts of themes and ideas in media, lead to that someone causing harm to themselves and others, then there is a greater issue that I think should be addressed.

I’m not talking about “this person has a headcanon about this character that is ignorant of character history and I don’t like it so I’m going to get on their case about it”. I’m talking about, someone isn’t taking the time to listen and think about and do some sleuthing on any media that they’re engaging with that has real life negative consequences and impacts on other people, and they’re unlikely to stop and reevaluate their engagement and behavior unless someone who does have a better understanding of those issues says something. Additionally, do they have individual opinions of their own in their lack of understanding that they’re causing harm with, whether intentionally or unintentionally? Because I see that happen too, where something gets misconstrued or misunderstood in a harmful way and the person with that misunderstanding can go on to harm others with it.

For many, a positive change can be made by asking the question(s) “are you aware that this thing contains harmful ideas that have real-world impacts?” “Are you aware that your engagement with this material supports a creator(s) who is weaponizing their platform?” “These harmful opinions and thought processes are baked into the source of the media you’re consuming and they have real life impacts; have you been taking the time to see if it is also working its way into your opinions and treatment of others?”

When those questions get asked, it can lead to changes that are positive or it can lead to an understanding that that individual may willfully choose not to reevaluate how they may be causing harm because they won’t let go of whatever caused those harmful ideas to take root in them. And that is a different discussion entirely, but it’s important to remember that this is a caveat to consider.

But ultimately, TL;DR— I think the complaint of “none of these people are using critical thinking or analyzing media is frustrating and it needs to change” can and does need to begin coexisting with the idea “an individual person may not know how or choose to engage critically with the media they consume some or all of the time and that’s okay and I can respect and consider them even if I disagree with their takes on it.”

Someone’s always gonna have a different opinion and you can’t FORCE anyone to have the same take as you. They have a different background and different life experiences shaping the way they relate to these characters. Someone shipping a pairing you don’t like or thinks some character didn’t deserve their redemption arc are not worth picking fights over because those are harmless. Save your breath for conversations that matter. Save your breath for helping someone understand the implications and real-world consequences of irresponsible media creation. Or to help people understand what responsibly-created media is trying to open them to, the worldviews they hadn’t considered before and the issues they didn’t realize were not just fiction.

I’d also like to add a point for the people who do think critically about the content they consume and engage with their favorite stories this way, that you’re allowed to have fun, and that interacting with others—including the people you’re trying to educate—should be because you love the material itself. When someone is clearly passionate about something it makes people willing to listen (as opposed to someone coming at them with negative or even aggressive energy). Give people the benefit of the doubt that they’re not being willfully malicious. Pairing your love with something while acknowledging it’s flaws just makes your delivery more accessible.

If you’re trying to get someone to understand a book/movie/show/etc that you don’t like because of how dangerously flawed it is, you need to be passionate about the cause you’re advocating for. I aggressively abhor movies like Split that vilify DID and I tell people not to watch it. I myself do not have DID but I do have one of the other scary/evil/ugly mental illnesses, and what harms one of us harms all of us. It’s important to me that we challenge toxic representation of debilitating mental illness, and people listen to me when I talk about this because I approach them with the assumption that they barely understand what DID is or why movies like this have real-world consequences.

YES, OH MY GOD THANK YOU SPOOKY, YOU GET IT

An IRL friend I usually have these discussions with also wanted me to throw out there that there’s a level of weaponized incompetence and willful ignorance that does occur within fandom and is its own problem, and that that can often jade people who care about engaging in critical thinking and analysis to the notion that we need to be mindful about the other person we choose to speak with.

And I think they’re absolutely right, and that is most certainly an issue as well; but between their suggestion that there needs to be more gentle encouragement for the parties in a discussion in a fandom to be up front about their level of understanding (ex: two people may love Teen Titans but one may only have watched the 2003 cartoon while the other may have watched the cartoon and also read comics and articles and history wikis and videos on it) and especially your reminder that the more passionate and excited and willing to share that a fan is with someone who may not be as critically engaged can open doors and grab people’s attention…? I think that can play such a huge hugedifference in helping to open people up to the idea of further discussion and thought, especially if they can be shown that that canbe a rewarding way of engaging with the media!

Of course, there’s always going to be people who don’t want to or won’t put in that same level of effort with the same piece of media you may have in common, and that’s okay too. I won’t say that sometimes it might not be disappointing, but I think it’s okay if now and then someone has a boundary of “i just want to enjoy this and not think too hard about it”. Everything I’ve seen lately has been a good reminder that it’s okay for people to set that boundary sometimes, and it’s good for others to respect that. (Again, the previous caveat I brought up still applies, but you get my drift. As you said, give people the benefit of the doubt that they’re not being willfully malicious)

And please remember everyone, as Spooky said, critical thinking and deeper analysis of the media you engage with doesn’t mean tearing it down and finding everything wrong with it. Let it be something enriching and fulfilling because you love it. It really does have the power to change minds and open doors for discussion better than outright attacking someone or giving them the third degree for something they may not know.

Interest has been shown and the thought won’t leave my brain so I’m putting this on the table for discussion.

First let me be transparent: if allowed I will talk for ages about how people aren’t taught critical thinking and media analysis and if they are that they aren’t applying those tools where it counts. It’s something I see so frequently and I’ll get so driven up the wall about and I’ll lament for ages the way that educational systems have failed to teach these tools or how little push there actually is on a widespread scale to learn and implement them.

But over the last 24 hours with instances on several fronts and in several fandoms, an additional thought has repeatedly been popping up that I think needs to coexist with this discussion.

And that is that there is a human being behind every take you disagree with.

It’s easy to focus on the frustration and the issue and wanting to push for ways to improve the situation to the point I think sometimes it’s easy to forget the individual people.

While I don’t intend to point fingers to any one example (because again, I’ve been seeing this sort of issue in multiple fandom spaces on multiple platforms over the past day,) I feel like it’s still something to bring up. Just hear me out on this. Fandom isn’t necessarily a space where the intent is to always analyze and think critically about what we consume, but utilizing those tools can provide a more enriching experience with the source material, open up new discussions with other fans, and allow for a greater understanding of the source material and its creators and its impact(s).

But just as much as that, fandom isn’t necessarily intended for that level of engagement, at least not as a mandatory requirement. Many fans don’t consume a thing they enjoy for the sake of deeper thought and analysis, and this means that many times their opinions, headcanons, elements they enjoy, and understanding of the source material is going to differ drastically from that of a person who does those deeper dives.

And that’s fine.*

There is a caveat there and I’ll get to it, but I really would like to see this point as the main one for consideration in this discussion. Not everyone consumes movies, shows, books, podcasts, games, etc. with an automatic need or desire to analyze the media on a deeper level. Heck, even people who DO have that tendency are going to encounter things that they just engage with on a level of trying to simply enjoy it.

And that’s okay. Not everyone has had the opportunity to learn those things. Not everyone wants to always dissect everything they engage with, and trying to do that anyway is exhausting. (And if you’re trying to do that with the intent of seeking media purity, it’s doubly exhausting because you’re chasing something that cannot exist, and I would like to suggest that you reevaluate this because it WILL rob you of your ability to enjoy ANYTHING.)

And I think it’s important to remember that when we hit that point. That there’s another person. That no matter how much it may cause us frustration when we encounter people who show signs of not knowing or understanding the same things we do about something we’ve taken the time to really break down and understand, there’s still another person and we don’t know the circumstances behind why their experience is different nor are we entitled to know. I mean, YEAH, it’s frustrating when prevailing ideas about the source material within a fandom become commonplace and are either blatantly wrong/ignorant or don’t show enough analysis. But I feel like we also need to remember to be mindful of individual people even when expressing our frustrations and dislikes of ideas or attitudes that lack understanding.

Now. Here’s that *caveat.

When someone’s lack of understanding, lack of thinking, lack of being willing to go beyond the surface and understand the impacts of themes and ideas in media, lead to that someone causing harm to themselves and others, then there is a greater issue that I think should be addressed.

I’m not talking about “this person has a headcanon about this character that is ignorant of character history and I don’t like it so I’m going to get on their case about it”. I’m talking about, someone isn’t taking the time to listen and think about and do some sleuthing on any media that they’re engaging with that has real life negative consequences and impacts on other people, and they’re unlikely to stop and reevaluate their engagement and behavior unless someone who does have a better understanding of those issues says something. Additionally, do they have individual opinions of their own in their lack of understanding that they’re causing harm with, whether intentionally or unintentionally? Because I see that happen too, where something gets misconstrued or misunderstood in a harmful way and the person with that misunderstanding can go on to harm others with it.

For many, a positive change can be made by asking the question(s) “are you aware that this thing contains harmful ideas that have real-world impacts?” “Are you aware that your engagement with this material supports a creator(s) who is weaponizing their platform?” “These harmful opinions and thought processes are baked into the source of the media you’re consuming and they have real life impacts; have you been taking the time to see if it is also working its way into your opinions and treatment of others?”

When those questions get asked, it can lead to changes that are positive or it can lead to an understanding that that individual may willfully choose not to reevaluate how they may be causing harm because they won’t let go of whatever caused those harmful ideas to take root in them. And that is a different discussion entirely, but it’s important to remember that this is a caveat to consider.

But ultimately, TL;DR— I think the complaint of “none of these people are using critical thinking or analyzing media is frustrating and it needs to change” can and does need to begin coexisting with the idea “an individual person may not know how or choose to engage critically with the media they consume some or all of the time and that’s okay and I can respect and consider them even if I disagree with their takes on it.”

Oh hey there!  You favourite inconsistent introvert on tumblr is back for her yearly much anticipated post.

This past week was ‘happiness week’ at work.  One of the  first events organized by the company was a discussion about personality types, where we were split in several small groups to discuss this theme. Lovely – great start.

This got me thinking about personality test.  It has been years since I took the online personality test and decided to re-take it.  I was quite surprised to see ISFP-T on my results screen.  Until now, I have always considered myself to be an INFJ-T, based on a previous result from years ago.

From what I can gather, I am an Adventurer.

I change during the course of a day. I wake and I’m one person, and when I go to sleep I know for certain I’m somebody else.

Accurate.  Very accurate.  
I literally feel like I change as soon as I step out of the house, my car, work etc…

Strengths: Charming, Sensitive to Others, Imaginative, Passionate, Curious, Artistic.

Weaknesses: Fiercely Independent, Unpredictable, Easily Stressed, Overly Competitive, Fluctuating Self-Esteem.

On. Point. 

I have decided to skip over the friendships, relationships, parenthood results – which I would be happy to go over and elaborate on another time (I can probably dedicate another post or two - in a year’s time? - about this.

When it comes to workplace, the workplace,

the position that feels most unnatural to Adventurers is management. They are not a domineering personality type, and take no joy in exerting control over others, planning long-term goals, or disciplining unsatisfactory behavior.

I have been working in a managerial role for the past year.  
Building a team from scratch, providing ongoing training, setting goals, delegating work… it has not been plain sailing and has been overly stressful at times.  

This being said, I am  grateful that I was given this opportunity as it has taught me A LOT.

Conclusion: Whether it is finding (or keeping) a partner, reaching dazzling heights on the career ladder, or learning to plan ahead, Adventurers need to put in a conscious effort to develop their weaker traits and additional skills.

I will leave it at that, as it once again scarily on point.

I would LOVE to hear from you!  
What is your personality type and do feel like it is truly in line with who you are?
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