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The thing about the Nightcloud/Crowfeather/Breezepelt dynamic is that all of it is told from other characters’ perspectives, which means we really can’t get an accurate read on each characters’ true emotions.

Which is really a shame because the whole thing really IS difficult to interpret.

But let’s try to analyze the scenes that we do get and try to come to a reasonable conclusion, shall we?

Breezepelt Thinks: That Crowfeather hates him.

This idea is backed up in universe by:

  • The three repeatedly noting that Crowfeather seems to dislike him - These scenes are in the book to serve as an ironic foreshadowing to Crowfeather being their father, and while they do show that he’s an /emotionally unavailable/ father, the worst thing he does in these scenes is scold Breezepelt when he misbehaves and not compliment his catch. That is hardly abusive.
  • The Dark Forest Cats literally lying to actively Manipulate Breezepelt, and then Breezepelt parroting back the words that they fed him - These scenes are unreliable because these are DARK FOREST CATS and they are LYING and Breezepelt is BUYING THE LIE. These things didn’t HAPPEN, and Brokenstar of all cats should NOT be the paragon by which we judge anyone’s parenting skills.
  • And a collection of other scenes where Breezepelt is scolded for misbehaving by Crowfeather - Which are in the book to establish Breezepelt as a Problem. Also, scolding your child does not mean you hate them or that you are abusive

Nightcloud Thinks: That Crowfeather doesn’t love either of them

  • It is, explicitly, true that Crowfeather doesn’t love her. There’s no arguments there. And while that sucks, and Crowfeather is in the wrong for taking her as a mate, he also doesn’t owe it to her to love her. You can’t owe romantic feelings to anyone.
  • But there’s really nothing to back up the idea that Crowfeather doesn’t love Breezepelt in Nightcloud’s eyes. The only scene I can think of is one where Breeze(paw) runs around to check the borders, and when he gets back Crowfeather double checks to make sure he checked the entire perimeter, at which point Nightcloud severely overreacts and accuses him of not trusting Breeze(paw). To my eyes this speaks more to Nightcloud’s extreme protectiveness than to Crowfeather’s abuse - literally all he did was double check that his son completed a task at a time of great importance.

Crowfeather Things: That Nightcloud is overprotective and that she is encouraging his son to hate him

This idea is backed up in universe by:

  • Several scenes of Nightcloud separating him from Breezepelt - Including the aforementioned border checking, and the Daylight Gathering incident, where he actively tries to help carry and tend to his injured son, and is not allowed to do so by Nightcloud. This scene serves no other purpose than to show Crowfeather’s care for his son and Nightcloud’s refusal to let him.
  • Nightcloud’s repeatedly demonstrated jealousy for Leafpool which - while justified on paper - literally leads to her clawing and Crowfeather and yelling at him in front of clanmates the moment he so much as glances as her. ~Which actually IS abuse~ ! Physical and Emotional ! And while these scenes are there to show that Leafpool and Crowfeather are still in love (which is awful for Nightcloud but does NOT justify her being abusive in turn), Nightcloud’s reaction is only there to show her character.

Breezepelt’s view is manipulated by the Dark Forest Cats.

Nightcloud’s view is clouded by her jealousy, which (again, justified on paper) leads her to literally abusing Crowfeather.

Crowfeather’s view is the only one which is backed up by scenes not serving an alternate purpose and is not clouded by an external motivation.

So the dynamic is:

  • Breezepelt hates his dad because his mother didn’t let them bond, because he scolds him when he misbehaves, and because literal cats from hell told him to
  • Nightcloud hates Crowfeather because he doesn’t love her (fair), so she resolves to set Breezepelt against him and physically and emotionally abuse him (unfair)
  • Crowfeather doesn’t love Nightcloud (which sucks), but he does at least try to be a parent to Breezepelt (he isn’t especially good at it) only to have every attempt thwarted by either Nightcloud or Breezepelt, only for the latter to turn around and tell him he was never trying because of the hell cats mentioned above

There is really no reason for us to believe that Crowfeather was abusive and didn’t love his son. What he /was/ is strict and snappy - which is and has always been his personality. What he /was/ is emotionally distant - which is awful, sure, but it isn’t abuse. He wasn’t a good father, but there’s nothing to suggest that he was an abusive father either.

What we can believe is that Breezepelt’s hatred of Crowfeather wasn’t justified (HIS IDEAS CAME FROM CAT HELL) and that Nightcloud was overprotective of Breezepelt and abusive towards Crowfeather.

Simple as.

In the past, WindClan actively practiced Gray Wing’s idea of kindness and friendship. They fought only when necessary, and would offer aid to other Clans when possible.

Tallstar was especially fond of the tradition, but it was mostly forgotten during Onestar’s reign, since he believed the ideology sounded too much like Firestar’s way of doing things.

Unsurprisingly, this aided in WindClan’s turn in reputation, as they are now known for being harsh and antagonizing ThunderClan. 

Crowfeather and Nightcloud are the only cats who can remember the old tradition, and they’ve been trying to reintroduce it since the change in leadership. Fortunately, Harestar is very open to the idea. 

Crowfeather stop! Being salty!

Long time no see, take a Nightcloud as an apology.

She definitely got her name from being fluffy as hell and having a soft spot for kits. Second choice was Nightfang.

Today on This Is My AU And I Can Do What I Want: Crowfeather and Nightcloud are Pan / AroAce Solidar

Today on This Is My AU And I Can Do What I Want: Crowfeather and Nightcloud are Pan / AroAce Solidarity, not to mention Resting Bitch Face Solidarity.

Night wanted kits, and asked Crow to help her with that. They’re friends, but nothing more.


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nibbythebird:

sunset on a cart, pulled home by a white horse

conscience of the husband was righteous and coarse

there must be a limit

if we only circle around

there’s no hurry in reaching it

slugswarriorsdesigns:

Pride requests #6

Agender Russetfur, Demigirl Snowfur

Lesbian Spottedleaf, Feathertail and Moonlight

Neptunic Nightcloud, Star Flower

NB Squirrelflight, Gendervacuus Houndleap, Old Lesbian flag Leafpool

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warrior cat pride icons w my designs lol (free to use w credit)

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nightsquirrel <33


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People don’t hate on Nightcloud to make Crowfeather look good people hate on Nightcloud because she was a toxic influence to Breezepelt just as much as Crowfeather and she was literally the one physically abusive in their relationship

To be honest, I’m pretty sure most of the people calling Crowfeather an abuser are just projecting on their own experiences and they don’t make the difference between a dysfunctional parent and an abusive parent anymore.

Nightcloud! Gave her sligthly bigger paws since she is described as strong and muscular in the books

Nightcloud! Gave her sligthly bigger paws since she is described as strong and muscular in the books 


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I made a little PMV about Nightcloud and a scene from Crowfeather’s Trial, happy holidays!

me too nightcloud me too

Nightcloud x Mapleshade supremecy…. Mom x Mom if you will… [ AU info down below pss pss!! ]

Silly AU where, instead of Breezepelt,Mapleshadegoes to try manipulate his noticeably frustrated and distressed mother, Nightcloud, into joining the Dark Forest army to take ‘revenge’ on her husband Crowfeather,Leafpool e.c.t… except Mapleshade accidentally falls head over heels for Nightcloud instead when the she-cat proves far too stubborn to swindle and spirited in her goals to be there for her only son and cling onto her crumbling relationship with Crowfeather to protect her image… something that is painfully familiar to Mapleshade. 

So, Mapleshade starts trying to visit Nightcloud in secret, bringing her rotting flower from the Dark Forest (the only gifts she can manage to find.) Nightcloud is absolutely swooned by Mapleshade’s awkwardness and star-struck look every time she’s around her. Finally, she feels like she is trulyloved, and soon she feels herself able to separate herself from her co-dependence on Crowfeather, the two parting on surprisingly good terms (Crowfeather has NO idea what has gotten into Nightcloud but he’s just grateful to revert to friendship with her while the two look after their son) and Nightcloud pursues a proper relationship with Mapleshade. 

When Breezepelt ends up being brought to the Dark Forest by Brokenstar, Mapleshade acts a silent guardian for the young tom, standing up for him when the other warriors threaten him or get too rough, even going so far as to attempt to dissuade him from sticking around… and telling him that it would make his mother upset if she were to find out. 

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