#rittenhouse

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alaija:

siryouarebeingmocked:

i-am-the-broken-bride:

leanybeany09:

i-am-the-broken-bride:

leanybeany09:

nunyabizni:

Fucking disappointed

Yeah being proven wrong will do that to you, won’t it?

Lmao fucking seethe, dipshit.

I’m not wrong. The entire case is being done incorrectly. As soon as they dismissed the curfew issue they lost credibility for taking this case seriously and following laws. Just skipping over every law Kyle broke

“I am completely unaware that courts drop minor charges all the time.” Also, five bucks says Leany doesn’t think the rioters who were also breaking curfew should be punished.

“ I’m not wrong. “

18 USC § 921(a)(8)

(8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

The rifle in question was a Smith and Wesson M&P15, at least as reported. That model has a 16″ barrel and has an overall length of  36.625“. It fills neither part of the definition of SBR. 

Judge is right; you are wrong.

“… dismissed the curfew issue….”

After all this you want him slapped on the wrist for being a naughty boy and staying out late?

This is a pretty silly post from a number of different perspectives.

First, people are quoting federal law. Federal law doesn’t matter here. Wisconsin law does. Therefore, if you’re going to be quoting law that actually applies to the case (and that the judge was actually considering), you would need to quote Wis. Stat. § 948.60. That’s what is actually relevant in the judge’s determination. In a federalist system, state trial court judges tend to not really care what federal law says. It’s at most persuasive precedent. In this case, it’s irrelevant.

Second, just because a judge says something doesn’t mean that it’s right. Sure, it might have the backing of a particular interpretation of the law, but there are other interpretations of the law that can exist. Also, appeals exist for that exact reason.

Third, to actually address the judge’s determination here, the ruling was totally based on Wis. Stat. § 948.60(3)© which seemingly states that the statute only applies to people who also violate § 941.28 (which can be found by clicking on the hyperlink in the source). § 941.28 proscribes the possession of a short-barreled rife or shotgun defined as “a rifle having one or more barrels having a length of less than 16 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a rifle having an overall length of less than 26 inches.”

Now, there is a way to read this statute such that this forbids prosecution against Rittenhouse for the gun charge. I think that’s obvious. But it’s also obvious that this particular reading essentially invalidates the main thrust of § 948.60. Rather than a statute forbidding minors from possessing firearms, it becomes subsidiary to the general statute forbidding possession of short-barreled rifles. Furthermore, this means that minors, despite the clear wording of the general part of § 948.60, are in fact allowed to possess dangerous weapons in the form of rifles so long as they are not already proscribed short-barreled rifles or shotguns. That seems absurd to me, but the drafting here is really bad. Per evidence from the legislative history of § 948.60, the exception was meant to provide some security for minors who needed to hunt without supervision, but it’s very clear that whomever drafted the statute did a poor job. Essentially, the way the judge interpreted the statute was “It’s illegal for minors to use guns that are already illegal. Sure, we already knew that, but it’s especially illegal for minors.” Again, the way the judge has interpreted the statute, Rittenhouse could have been 10 and he still would have been exempt from prosecution. That’s silly. But that does appear to be what was drafted—though almost self-evidently not what was intended.

I think another judge might have easily made the determination that § 948.60(3)© applied only to hunting activities, or as a limited exemption to the overall statute as opposed to a massive limitation that effectively nullifies the obvious intent of the rest of the statute. However, bad drafting by the state usually means that the defendant gets the benefit of the doubt. And, as silly as the claim is, based on a clear reading of the statute there is a legally cognizable claim that Rittenhouse should be exempt from prosecution. So, he gets that benefit of the doubt.

But anyone who doesn’t think that interpretation is ridiculous just isn’t reading the case or the law. And I’m pretty sure that’s a lot of people in this thread.

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