This wasn’t supposed to actually come to a conclusion but I accidentally came to one while writing it, oops.
Again no read more because this hellsite is broken but Spoiler Lancer is here to warn you. Maybe I could have drawn a different spoiler but uhhhh I like Lancer.
“ANGEL” and “HEAVEN” are terms used a decent amount in Chapter 2 of Deltarune, though Chapter 1 and Undertale feature references to it as well.
The Angel is first mentioned by Gerson in Undertale (Can’t be mentioned by him in Deltarune cause he’s dead lol) in reference to what the Delta Rune, the emblem of the Underground, means. A prophecy, referring to an angel that’ll free the Monsters from the underground… Or more pessimistically, free them from this mortal coil.
Look guys I’m including images this time I’m bothering to search for them yay.
An angel is referred to several times in Deltarune, especially in Chapter 2 from what I noticed, seemingly as the holy figure worshipped in the town’s religion. No prophecy about the Underground here, since we’re not y’know. In the Underground. I uhhh. Don’t have a screenshot for this I wasn’t taking any while playing and I’m not watching like a 4 hour LP just to get one before writing this post maybe I’ll edit it later sorry!
Heaven, on the other hand, has much less direct references on its own. I don’t think it’s mentioned in Undertale at all, and in Deltarune, well…
We have to talk about Spamton, I guess.
You cannot even begin to comprehend the rush of emotions this boss fight conveyed. Or maybe you do you probably played it too.
Spamton as far as I recall makes the only direct references to Heaven on its own. I just played the game so my memory should be pretty good on this but correct me if I’m wrong.
Not only that, but he does so in a pretty… Concerning manner. There’s his message above in the battle, yes, but even before the battle..
And then he points a gun at you. Ever the charmer.
This especially strikes a chord with me because of the “Dark… So Dark!”, which is pretty close to Gaster’s famous “Dark, Darker, yet Darker.” But of course, Darkness is very much a theme of Deltarune in general… But one that could be directly related to the Entry 17 quote to begin with. After all, quotes from Entry 17 were used in the leadup to Deltarune, on the Deltarune.com website long before anyone actually could have even thought to look there.
Connections between Spamton and Gaster can be expected though, considering Spamton’s known connection to the Knight, and Gaster’s implied connection to the Knight. But I did a whole other post on that, kind of.
The way Spamton antithesizes darkness and heaven is interesting. After all, he is a Darkner. And there’s another reference to heaven that puts them on the same boat.
But that brings us to Angel and Heaven together. More specifically, the Angel’s heaven. First mentioned again, on Deltarune.com long before anyone could know to look there, text in Wingdings that said THREE HEROES APPEARED TO BANISH THE ANGEL’S HEAVEN.
But you probably remember it from the Prophecy given to us by Ralsei.
I’ve been thinking “What the fuck did he mean by this” for 3 years.
According to Ralsei, sealing the fountains of darkness and banishing the Angel’s Heaven, whatever that may be, are both goals of the heroes. Perhaps Heaven isn’t the antithesis to Darkness that Spamton makes it out to be…
But it could still be.
After all, the goal of the heroes is to maintain the balance of Light and Dark. If the fountains are an imbalance weighing towards Darkness…
Could Angel’s Heaven be an imbalance that will weigh towards Light?
During the battle against him, Sans refers to an “anomaly” in the space time continuum, messing around with its control over the timeline. At first glance one would assume that the “anomaly” is Frisk as they are the one holding the RESET power at the present time. Sans himself believes this to be the case.
However, closer examination of the dialogues seems to imply that Sans was wrong in this assumption.
Lets try to see things from Sans’ perspective.
The first thing to notice is that Sans only knows of an anomaly through these reports showing the state of timelines. Therefore Sans has no way to know that there have been multiple different holders of the SAVE/LOAD power at different points in time.
He can’t tell the difference between who is responsible for a specific timeline jump. For this reason, Sans believes that there was only ever one anomaly “consuming timelines”, and that this anomaly is Frisk.
Uh, so I’ve been working on this meta post for around 3 months now, gathering screenshots, gathering feedback, gathering morescreenshots. The result is what could conceivably be called thorough.
Compared to the animation I made as the header, the post’s content was much harder to put together and write; I consider the animation icing on the cake. If you liked the animation, and like Chara (or don’t like Chara) then please consider reading the meta. It’s finally done!
The reason that rudy is the key to the undertale timeline. We know that rudy has never seen the surface as asgore said as much “I was never able to show you the sun” but we know that his daughters (december and noelle) were able to see it in the true pacifist run. We also can assume that asgore and rudy were about the same age during college. Asgore was not the king during the war between humans and monsters as he went to college with rudy underground as stated before.
Asgore’s son was born and chara fell after college and everything. So we know for certain that all 8 kids fell within the span of two generations of monsters. Now we don’t know for sure how long a normal monster can live but if we pretend that it is 80ish years like a human then all 8 kids would have fallen within less then 80 years. Likely much less due to rudy being ill in deltarune, meaning he likely was ill in undertale too. So say he had his kids at 30 years old, he died at 60 and his kids are 40 or so when they see the surface. The time that would have passed between chara and frisk would be 40 years or so.
Wait, i know basically everyone is aware of the Dont Forget/group of people you dont seem to recognise thing from sans’ lab, and we pin that to Gaster (or, since Deltarune, him and the DR cast), but has anyone tried to figure out what the hell the badge is about? Cuz i completely forgot it was even there until now
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