thetrueneocha0s:

So what does happen when you die in a Dark World, anyways?

loathemetc:

This wasn’t supposed to actually come to a conclusion but I accidentally came to one while writing it, oops.

Again no read more because this hellsite is broken but Spoiler Lancer is here to warn you. Maybe I could have drawn a different spoiler but uhhhh I like Lancer.

“ANGEL” and “HEAVEN” are terms used a decent amount in Chapter 2 of Deltarune, though Chapter 1 and Undertale feature references to it as well.

The Angel is first mentioned by Gerson in Undertale (Can’t be mentioned by him in Deltarune cause he’s dead lol) in reference to what the Delta Rune, the emblem of the Underground, means. A prophecy, referring to an angel that’ll free the Monsters from the underground… Or more pessimistically, free them from this mortal coil.

Look guys I’m including images this time I’m bothering to search for them yay.

An angel is referred to several times in Deltarune, especially in Chapter 2 from what I noticed, seemingly as the holy figure worshipped in the town’s religion. No prophecy about the Underground here, since we’re not y’know. In the Underground. I uhhh. Don’t have a screenshot for this I wasn’t taking any while playing and I’m not watching like a 4 hour LP just to get one before writing this post maybe I’ll edit it later sorry!

Heaven, on the other hand, has much less direct references on its own. I don’t think it’s mentioned in Undertale at all, and in Deltarune, well…

We have to talk about Spamton, I guess.

You cannot even begin to comprehend the rush of emotions this boss fight conveyed. Or maybe you do you probably played it too.

Spamton as far as I recall makes the only direct references to Heaven on its own. I just played the game so my memory should be pretty good on this but correct me if I’m wrong.

Not only that, but he does so in a pretty… Concerning manner. There’s his message above in the battle, yes, but even before the battle..

And then he points a gun at you. Ever the charmer.

This especially strikes a chord with me because of the “Dark… So Dark!”, which is pretty close to Gaster’s famous “Dark, Darker, yet Darker.” But of course, Darkness is very much a theme of Deltarune in general… But one that could be directly related to the Entry 17 quote to begin with. After all, quotes from Entry 17 were used in the leadup to Deltarune, on the Deltarune.com website long before anyone actually could have even thought to look there.

Connections between Spamton and Gaster can be expected though, considering Spamton’s known connection to the Knight, and Gaster’s implied connection to the Knight. But I did a whole other post on that, kind of.

The way Spamton antithesizes darkness and heaven is interesting. After all, he is a Darkner. And there’s another reference to heaven that puts them on the same boat.

But that brings us to Angel and Heaven together. More specifically, the Angel’s heaven. First mentioned again, on Deltarune.com long before anyone could know to look there, text in Wingdings that said THREE HEROES APPEARED TO BANISH THE ANGEL’S HEAVEN.

But you probably remember it from the Prophecy given to us by Ralsei.

I’ve been thinking “What the fuck did he mean by this” for 3 years.

According to Ralsei, sealing the fountains of darkness and banishing the Angel’s Heaven, whatever that may be, are both goals of the heroes. Perhaps Heaven isn’t the antithesis to Darkness that Spamton makes it out to be…

But it could still be.

After all, the goal of the heroes is to maintain the balance of Light and Dark. If the fountains are an imbalance weighing towards Darkness…

Could Angel’s Heaven be an imbalance that will weigh towards Light?

I dunno I’m just spitballing.

My two cents on the Deltarune Angel’s Heaven theory

Hunch based on the fact that:

1) In the Weird Route, when selling the ThornRing, Spamton addresses either Kris or Noelle as “Angel”

2) According to Ralsei’s prophecy, the heroes’ task, other than sealing the fountains, is to banish the Angel’s Heaven

3) Before his normal fight, Spamton describes “freedom” to Kris, approximatively, as “rising and staring right into Heaven” (and during most of that sentence he’s looking up and straight at the fourth wall)

4) He also says “Are you watching, Heaven?” at the end of his fight if his wires are cut (looking at the fourth wall, again)

My hypothesis is:

The Angel is Kris, Heaven is the Players’ influence on them (and any other character, if the Snowgrave route is chosen). “Angel’s Heaven” can be considered “banished” when one reaches the end of the game and has no more control over its events.

oh god the creepy spamton smile makes yet ANOTHER appearance, but this time, from an unused attack

Vid showing where the barricade sprites were used should they have been implanted

predictions on what the next deltarune chapters will be vaguely and i’ll be very proud if i’m close. 

CH 1 - Toys/board games/cards/stuffed animals 

CH 2 - Computers/ no internet

CH 3 - TV/stories/media/videogames/ (i’m not feeling the carnival thing but what do i know? it is a much easier theme so perhaps)(also try to convince me the shadow mantle that seam talks about isn’t a diablo III reference, just try lol and yes i drew it)

CH 4 - Church/social stuff/shame/not fitting in
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II Those two are interchangeable for me.
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CH 5 - Hanging in the graveyard bby!/head empty no thoughts/nature lookn stuff

CH 6 - Sleep/betrayal/brain stuff/sense of self/scribbles/loneliness aka only kris

CH 7 - fight maybe against our boy ralsei. other then that i bet there will be a lot of destiny stuff here, whether you can break it or not.

Just reaalized I never typed out my wild Deltarune conjecture (spoilers)

So the running theory in the fandom is that DR is an AU where the monsters won the war, right? We also know that Tori and Asgore are still split up even though Asgore presumably hasn’t been murdering children, so something else must have happened.

My pet theory is that Kris was a human child who got left behind or otherwise somehow ended up being taken in by the Dreemurrs. But somewhere along the way, *another* human child decided to take revenge on the monsters (for the war, or for specific casualties who were people they cared about) by killing Kris. (“If you think humans are such scum why don’t we finish the job,” etc etc.)

For the sake of consistency I’m going to call this character Racha, because the other anagrams are taken.

So let’s say Racha kills Kris, and Asgore, who we know does NOT deal well with grief, won’t accept the fact and immediately goes looking for a solution. Well, perhaps a certain Royal Scientist we haven’t exactly seen in DR but who is referenced a LOT and is known to work with souls has the fix.

Human souls hang around after death right? And what we have here is one child-sized human body currently being inhabited by a murderer, and the lingering soul of an innocent kid. Well…

But it doesn’t work very well. Kris isn’t themself, even with the transplanted body. Humans can’t absorb human souls, remember? And the original owner is maybe not as gone as they seem. Also Toriel is pissed because she takes the view that a child whose entire family has been killed in the war by monsters isn’t mentally stable enough to be held accountable for their actions, and that Kris should have been allowed to rest in peace–and nothing about Kris’s botched body transplant is about to change her mind.

Still, something of Kris is hanging on and maintaining control–except at night. When Kris loses consciousness they’re vulnerable to what remains of the body’s original owner, and the stain on the wall gets a little bigger every time. So there’s maybe kind of a reason Kris is so tired all the time… and maybe also a reason you don’t ever sleep in DR at any kind of inn. (You can be a Bed Inspector, but you can’t actually sleep mid-game.)

This neatly explains why the SOUL (Kris) seems to be getting ripped out on a regular basis, why the Dreemurrs apparently used to be a perfectly happy family but aren’t anymore, and offers some possibilities about what Gaster might have been working on to get chucked out of the universe in DR. (If DR vs UT Gaster is even a distinction that exists.) It’d explain why Asriel’s side of the room is so much nicer than Kris’s: what’s left of Kris (and Racha) just doesn’t care any more. It’d explain the knife and the murder glare Racha (?) gives you at the end.

Kris seems willing to let you, the player, guide their SOUL, but Racha seems less eager to lend their body for your endeavors…

just realized that due to like, how cyber city is set up, queen’s light world equivalent is probably the library’s Wi Fi network and not like, a singular computer or something

leshyleaf:

Ok I replayed all of deltarune again so silly deltarune theory time!

(I dont peruse tumblr all that much so sorry if someone already posted about this specifically)

so we’re all very heartbroken about the lack of papyrus in chapter 2, right (at least I am). Basically, I’m just verycurious about what Sans’s little brother is gonna be like. ((It’s not even confirmed to be papyrus, but considering that they are sans’s little bro, and of course, the trousle you trigger when you knock on their door, it’s gotta be highlylikely lol.

I’m almost positive he is going to be a teen, as it would be weird for sans to schedule a hangout with someone much younger or much older than Kris.

Anyway…what If he turns out to be a human?

shut up and hear me out okok

I think it would be really interesting!! Because

• We’d get to interact with another living human for the first time in the utdr verse
• It would be a really cool character/family parallel to Kris and their situation…I’m not sure how to put it eloquently, but one of the many themes in deltarune/undertale seems to be that feeling…of being a bit of an outsider in your own family/among your friends ((I mean, kris used to want to be a monster when they were little, I’m sure to “fit in”; they even wore little monster horns…and the town members seem to regard them as a bit of a weirdo)) ALSO, there was a really dope theory post about Susie being from a human/town family that explained a lot about her/her actions.
• And this “outsider feeling” I think fits papyrus well…he doesn’t have many friends; he’s a bit brash, loud, clearly neurodivergent…and is just. Lonely. Sometimes I forget how lonely he is. In deltarune, sans tells you that he really needs more friends, so I’m sure this carries in some degree to deltarune. (I’m glad he seems so happy after the pacifist ending in ut. It warms my heart.) I mean, just check out the Christmas party dialogue.
• Anyway, even the library has books on how to take care of humans, (checked out by only toriel, but the brothers just moved here, so.) it just seems like one of those thematic scenarios that Toby might throw us for a loop on.

There is even some dialogue in ut that somewhat, jokingly, goofily, suggests… something.

Not to mention all that “behind-the-ear dabbing” lol

Of course, these might all seem like silly jokes, but Toby has a bit of a habit of disguising real lore with humor (which I’ve always thought was genius.)

“ but this dialogue is from undertale, not deltarune!” Good point, I say, good point. Except NOT

Toby himself said there would be SOME connections, and in my recent replaying of undertale (and farming for river person dialogue), flowey AND riverperson both directly reference the world of deltarune, with flowey showing seam’s eye before his omega flowey fight, while saying (as differentiated from humans and monsters) “EVERYONE.” And river person says “beware the man who comes from the other world” or smth like that (I didn’t get the screenshots for these, sorry lol.) also, sans’s gaster blasters, ofc.

Now. This theory is kind of debunked by well. This

LOL.BUT!!

BUT!

No bones in ch. 2…Just the trousle. (And honestly, the trousle of bones in ch. 1 could just mean nothing, or be just a reference to the name of his theme, or the box of bones he maybe still has ((why did he have that in undertale?? It would actually make more sense for him to have that if he was not?? A skeleton monster?? That could magically produce bones and thereby would not need a box of them for attack use??))

This theory could also somewhat explain the fact that papyrus is the only main cast member that we haven’t seen yet.

I would like to end this theory with a disclaimer [this is just a small crack-y theory haha, I don’t actually think this holds much weight at all, I just thought It was interesting and wanted to share!]

And of course, this famous dialogue from dt.

Oh, and also, some doodles and sprites of human teen paps I did when I was thinking about this bc why not!!