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Penelope was wrong to write that piece about Marina but Marina was wrong to try and trap Colin in a marriage. It’s weird to see people imply she should have just been allowed to do that because she was in a terrible situation. Being in a bad situation doesn’t justify you wronging someone else and putting them in a bad situation as well. It’s a sense of self preservation to hurt someone to help yourself and it’s a relatable human instinct but it’s a wrong thing to do.
That’s also why I don’t support what Penelope did. She was in a bad position because she knew what Marina was up to but she also wronged Marina in a terrible way. She justified it to herself that she had no choice, just as how Marina justified to herself she had no choice. But they both had choices and they both chose wrong. There were other ways out of their situations and other things they could try, and even if there wasn’t that still doesn’t give you a free pass to hurt someone else.
I only make this post because it’s not something I see people discuss. When people talk about Marina they only remember how she was a victim (true) but never consider the fact what she was doing wasn’t okay either and she was trying to create her own victim (Colin). There’s a complexity to this situation and that’s why it made us feel weird when we were watching it season 1. You don’t want Marina to be doing that she’s doing, but you also want her to escape her situation and it makes you feel conflicted.
How much money do I have to give Shondaland for Penelope to visit Marina in season 3 and get some closure with her?
I would like to see some lasting consequences for the hit piece Penelope wrote on Eloise. I know that sounds insane, especially since I like Eloise, but hear me out.
The gossip Penelope published on Eloise was presented as terrible. It made Eloise terrified and insecure, it caused Penelope to cry while she was writing it, it upset Violet and even Anthony, it ruined the entire Bridgerton name for a time. It was also the reason for Eloise finding out Penelope was LW and their terrible fight. If it all just blows over in a single social season, was it really that bad? Were all the dramatics justified? And why can’t Eloise just get over it, since the column didn’t actually hurt her and Penelope only did it to protect her?
I’d like to see Eloise’s reputation take a permanent hit in the London Ton. Eloise’s story involves her removing herself from society and living freely, so in the long term she would be fine and it wouldn’t ruin her life. But it would help to show the lasting ramifications of what LW can do to someone, and perhaps make Penelope question her power and if she’s using it responsibly.
Also, it would be quite unfair if Marina was the only person who had their reputation permanently soiled by LW. I would feel better if a couple more people took a hit as well, otherwise it would feel quite targeted against Marina. If multiple people were hurt and ruined by LW it would seem more like a senseless act of immaturity and ignorance rather than vindictive and calculated.
The show never promised to be a loyal adaption to the books. Julia Quinn agreed when Netflix signed for the rights to allow them to change her story. None of this was a secret, all of this is old news. You all need to seriously relax and stop attacking cast and crew.
I’ve seen a lot of posts and tweets about how Penelope is a shitty person and needs redemption before she gets her season. To that I have to respond: What do you think her season is MEANT to be? The writers INTENTIONALLY beat Penelope down to her lowest and most miserable so they could build her back up again, the SAME way they did with Anthony in season 1. If they had a whole subplot dealing with the fallout of Penelope being Lady Whistledown in someone else’s season y’all would complain she was getting too much screentime and they should save that for her season.
When I watched season 1 with my sister (who is a casual fan and knows nothing of the story or it’s source material) she was SHOCKED Anthony was the season 2 lead because season 1 made her dislike him. She said she didn’t want to watch a season about him. The way he treated Daphne, belittled or ignored her feelings, infantilized her yet completely controlled her, and tried to force her to marry a pervert who’s been obsessed with her since she was 5 years old (who also tried to assault her, although Anthony didn’t know this, he would have known Nigel was a freak if he bothered to listen to what he was saying for two seconds and how he obsessed over Daphne)?? He wasn’t someone you could root for. Yet season 2 turned all that around and showed him in a different light, it gave him maturity and growth, and the Anthony at the end of season 2 would never do to Daphne what season 1 Anthony did.
This is part of story-telling. Building conflict, having characters fuck up, forcing them to confront themselves.
The only reason I think Polin shouldn’t be next is because I feel they are too emotionally immature to be married right now, but I’m also open to season 3 changing my mind.
I’ve seen a lot of posts and tweets about how Penelope is a shitty person and needs redemption before she gets her season. To that I have to respond: What do you think her season is MEANT to be? The writers INTENTIONALLY beat Penelope down to her lowest and most miserable so they could build her back up again, the SAME way they did with Anthony in season 1. If they had a whole subplot dealing with the fallout of Penelope being Lady Whistledown in someone else’s season y’all would complain she was getting too much screentime and they should save that for her season.
When I watched season 1 with my sister (who is a casual fan and knows nothing of the story or it’s source material) she was SHOCKED Anthony was the season 2 lead because season 1 made her dislike him. She said she didn’t want to watch a season about him. The way he treated Daphne, belittled or ignored her feelings, infantilized her yet completely controlled her, and tried to force her to marry a pervert who’s been obsessed with her since she was 5 years old (who also tried to assault her, although Anthony didn’t know this, he would have known Nigel was a freak if he bothered to listen to what he was saying for two seconds and how he obsessed over Daphne)?? He wasn’t someone you could root for. Yet season 2 turned all that around and showed him in a different light, it gave him maturity and growth, and the Anthony at the end of season 2 would never do to Daphne what season 1 Anthony did.
This is part of story-telling. Building conflict, having characters fuck up, forcing them to confront themselves.
I think the Bridgerton fandom needs a little bit more nuance and reading comprehension when dissecting the books and digesting certain actions taken by the characters.
For example, Daphne and Phillip both raped someone in their books. Daphne raped Simon and Phillip raped Marina. This isn’t open for debate because that’s exactly what happened. But here is where the crux lies: When Julia Quinn wrote those scenes, she did not intend them to be rape scenes, and therefore she did not write Daphne nor Phillip to as rapists.
As readers it’s our job to criticize the scene and Julie Quinn for writing it, but understand you can’t use that scene to influence the whole character and what they are like. The issue lies with Julia Quinn and what she perceives as consent, and this actually comes up in every single Bridgerton book (with men acting as if they are owed sex), it’s just that Books 1 and 5 have the most egregious example of it.
What’s more is Julia even brings up rape multiple times in her other books, where the men would say “I would never rape a woman”, and you can tell from the context of those scenes Julia views rape as forcefully or violently sexually violating a woman. When the truth is, rape doesn’t need to be forceful nor violent. You can also tell that she doesn’t believe a husband or wife can rape one another, which is actually where Daphne and Phillip’s scenes come into play. Daphne was married to Simon, Phillip was married to Marina, and neither Simon no Marina said the word “no”, so to Julia that means both scenes were consensual.
As readers we need to concede that these scenes were rape, but I also think it’s entirely disingenuous to take it a step further and described Daphne and Phillip as rapists. These characters aren’t real, they’re fiction in novels written by a very real woman who is misunderstanding the very essence of consent and who can and should be educated about it. When I see people flippantly call Daphne and Phillip rapists it’s almost always related to the fact they dislike these characters for other reasons and rapist is an easy and powerful word to use to completely disregard their characters.
This is why I think it’s so important for the show adaption to understand these scenes and completely remove them from the show. They failed miserably with Daphne but given the backlash they received from including that scene, I feel as though it will not be done with Phillip.
I think we already knew this but here you go!
It’s very rare there is a live action adaption that is TRULY accurate to it’s source material. The Witcher, Halo, and Bridgerton are all shows right now drastically veering from what people expected of them and are doing their own thing. And that’s not necessarily bad. Before Game of Thrones shot itself in its own foot, it did a good job as a show. People enjoyed it despite it being different than ASOIAF. When seasons aired it was an event. Bridgerton is breaking streaming records, and in many ways is FAR better than the books it’s inspired from. It’s okay for adaptions to be different.
just finished season 3 of a discovery of witches and i like how the season completely wrapped up it’s plots and themes and left nothing wanting. that being said it was boring as hell.
after all this debate about casting etc watch netflix not renew bridgerton for seasons 5+6
Neither Kate nor Edwina were in the wrong in their fight.
Edwina was justified in feeling angry at Kate she was lied to (about her feelings for Anthony and their family’s financial situation). And Kate was not wrong for trying to protect Edwina the only way she knew how (remember that when their father died Kate was 18 but Edwina was only 13 so there’s no way she could or should have been privy to that information or stress).
You also need to remember that Edwina wasn’t angry at Kate because she felt Kate was trying to steal Anthony. She wasn’t angry at Kate because she loved Anthony. She was angry at Kate because if she had the full details of what was going on, she would have made entirely different choices for herself and her life, and because of that she felt manipulated. Edwina never would have accepted Anthony’s proposal if she knew Kate loved him.
And on the flip side, Kate never told Edwina her feelings because she didn’t even realize them until the engagement had gone too far, and at that point to stop it would have been scandalous. She had no reason to believe Anthony would want to marry her instead, so if she stopped his union with Edwina her family would have been ruined. Especially because Anthony had just lost Edwina’s dowry and Mary’s inheritance by his actions at the Sheffield dinner. Kate wasn’t acting with her heart, she was acting with her head (just as Anthony did all season long) as was trying to do what she felt was right for the survival of her family.
And yes, Edwina was very angry at Kate for a time. But she also asked Kate about her motivations, why she did it, how she felt, and then she forgave her. Not only that, but she pushed Kate towards Anthony in the final episode and told her to be brave, and then defended their union to the Ton when the Cowpers started gossiping.
Edwina more than made up for her anger to Kate, and she still deeply loves Kate, and if you can’t see that then you simply don’t understand the nuance of humanity. I hope the show never waters down it’s writing just because y’all can’t digest subtly and complicated female relationships.
“i hope we get more sisterly bonding in season 3”
“because kate and edwina were done so dirty”
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how do you take part in a fanzine??
like how do I find fanzines projects to participate??? everytime I find s zine is because all the artists are already picked and I cant apply dhdhdhd how do you guys find them aaaaa help
why say “be gone thot”
when you can say “à bienTHOT”
