#16types
kareem abdul-jabbar: infp or isfj?
youtube video below first make me think infp. here are some timestamps for the impatient:
- trevor asks “you were around when martin luther king was assasinated, how do you prevent yourself from ONLY being angry?” 5:44
- kareem’s sublime but also funny reaction to the note he get from donald trump 7:15
- trevor noah’s describing kareem’s ethics at 9:00 and the way he answer that question.
but then maybe he is a really positive isfj… because after all, his hooks from far away one of the hardest shots to master. that’s a very measured shot with one hand, after a spin. like, how much force you apply to the ball when you take a shot from there vs. few inches away? for those who weren’t paying attention his “skyhooks” looked like this:
jung’s crazy si description
this video is from an infj. i wanted to point that out because following comment of mine will be more clear then.
if you use your common sense though, and that would be your te polr, and there’s a chance jung also had the same problem… THEN, you will realize ALL THIS is extremely exaggerated and dramatized. both this animation AND jung’s description is extreme.
si doms live in a mythical world? locomotives looks like malevolent demons to all si doms? no. something like that would apply to only very few. maybe jung’s si dom mega ocd patients mislead him to believe such things. but i WANT to believe that jung is being poetic here instead. i WANT to believe this is a HIGHLY EXAGGERATED analogy of sorts.
will si doms interprete the sensory and associate the sensory with other stuff? then over time, will they feel too strongly about x and y and z? sure. but they are always wrong? NO! they are in fact gonna be mostly right. they will feel so strongly about certain food because that food will actually give them the best nourishment. they will feel very strongly about their own bed maybe, because they chose that bed specifically, they have their own specific pillow and sheets and you name whatever else so it’s the most comfortable to them INDEED. they are not being crazy, that bed is indeed SUPER comfortable etc.
why so many people tend to get infj result in online tests?
it makes sense people to get infj result because people would like to believe they are infj like, especially females. what’s infj-like? ni refined and delicate and measured + fe respectful and understanding and proper and classy.
i think when people answer a question, they don’t choose the option they historically chose irl. they choose the “ideal” option, which produce the infj result.
infj & infp couple! shippage factor 100000 but they are already married so you don’t have to.
i approve their self typings. i also definitely agree with her about everything.
some mbti types as love songs
- is this love by whitesnake : ixtp (unsure of own feelings and reaches to the conclusion that he is in love by logic)
is this love that i’m feeling
is this the love that i’ve been searching for
is this love or am i dreaming
this must be love
cause it’s really got a hold on me
- november rain by guns n’ roses : estp (brutally logical)
nothin’ lasts forever
and we both know hearts can change
and it’s hard to hold a candle
In the cold november rain
(…)
love is always coming, love is always going
no one’s really sure who’s lettin’ go today
walking away
- when a man loves a woman by michael bolton: esfj (simppppppppppp)
when a man loves a woman
spend his very last dime
and trying to hold on to what he needs
he’d give up all his comforts
and sleep out in the rain
if she said that’s the way, it ought to be
- bed of roses by bon jovi: enfj (the most dramatic and theatrical and over the top romantic)
i’ll just close my eyes and whisper
“baby, blind love is true”
i want to lay you down in a bed of roses
for tonight i’ll sleep on a bed of nails
oh I want to be just as close as the holy ghost is
andlay you down on a bed of roses
bonus enfj song:
- where the wild roses grow by nick cave & the bad seeds ft. kylie minogue: intj (who the fuck else can even imagine to write a song like this? fe polr for sure.)
on the third day he took me to the river
he showed me the roses and we kissed
and the last thing I heard was a muttered word
as he knelt above me with a rock in his fist
on the last day I took her where the wild roses grow
and she lay on the bank, the wind light as a thief
and i kissed her goodbye, said, “all beauty must die”
and i lent down and planted a rose ‘tween her teeth
- i don’t want to miss a thing by aerosmith: esfp (being “se” in the moment and enjoying the moment to the max with the fi)
don’t want to close my eyes
i don’t want to fall asleep
'dause i’d miss you baby
and i don’t want to miss a thing
'cause even when i dream of you
the sweetest dream will never do
i’d still miss you baby
and i don’t want to miss a thing
- the idea of growing old by the features: entp (i searched soooo much until i find this song so it’s not as popular as others but lyrics on this thing is as close as it gets to entp & isfj duality. si seeking is there, ne playful and lighthearted is there etc.)
We can talk all night, we can talk all day
We can play charades when there is nothing to say
You turn me on to the idea of growing old
I can make you angry, you can make me smile
We can make origami with the kids for a while
You turn me on to the idea of growing old
We can lay around and count the number of times
I’ve acted foolish and you’ve rolled your eyes
You turn me on to the idea of growing old
You in your kerchief and me in my cap
We can settle down for an afternoon nap
You turn me on to the idea of growing old
infp fi trolling (and the beauty of se polr)
i have seen some people type him isfp but the guy doesn’t have an ounce of se. his trolling is so sublime and low key, it’s a thing of beauty.
some mbti types being kinky
ISTP (they are stoic and whatever at first sight but in fact very freaky which might suprise you)
ENTJ (after sex female praying mantis eats the male and male can’t whine about it)
ISFP (they can take some punishment and give it back too)
ISTJ
ENFP
ESTP (don’t forget the spit you don’t want to hurt your sub with dry spanks too much)
INFP (they also like some good ol’ ass spankey but be gentle and pet them first a bit)
ENTP (the girl: don’t worry i won’t be too harsh on you little puppy)
host eric of twfp taking six minutes to solve an ancient logic question
one of the best infp examples: fred rogers
“We speak with more than our mouths. We listen with more than our ears.”
“Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can sometimes be easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love. Like all of life’s important coping skills, the ability to forgive and the capacity to let go of resentments most likely take root very early in our lives.”
“In a way, you’ve already won in this world because you’re the only one who can be you.”
“We get so wrapped up in numbers in our society. The most important thing is that we are able to be one-to-one, you and I with each other at the moment. If we can be present to the moment with the person that we happen to be with, that’s what’s important.”
“Who we are in the present includes who we were in the past.”
“Love isn’t a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.”
“Often out of periods of losing come the greatest strivings toward a new winning streak.”
“If you could only sense how important you are to the lives of those you meet; how important you can be to the people you may never even dream of. There is something of yourself that you leave at every meeting with another person.”
“It’s good to be curious about many things.”
“It’s the people we love the most who can make us feel the gladdest…and the maddest! Love and anger are such a puzzle!”
“Our society is much more interested in information than wonder, in noise rather than silence…And I feel that we need a lot more wonder and a lot more silence in our lives”
“How many times have you noticed that it’s the little quiet moments in the midst of life that seem to give the rest extra-special meaning?”
“When we can talk about our feelings, they become less overwhelming, less upsetting and less scary.”
“It’s not the honors and the prizes and the fancy outsides of life which ultimately nourish our souls. It’s the knowing that we can be trusted, that we never have to fear the truth, that the bedrock of our very being is good stuff.”
“There are times when explanations, no matter how reasonable, just don’t seem to help.”
“Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime’s work, but it’s worth the effort.”
“There is no normal life that is free of pain. It’s the very wrestling with our problems that can be the impetus for our growth.”
“There are three ways to ultimate success: The first way is to be kind. The second way is to be kind. The third way is to be kind.”
8 function model explained with marvel heroes
1st function is iron man or thor or cap or many others. bold, showy but also very capable.
2nd function is prof xavier. also very capable but cautious and strategic and fatherly.
3rd function have to be a playful character who depend on chance and hope for the best. black cat maybe.
4th function is baby groot because of reasons.
great job groot! who is a smart baby? who is not the dumbest function?
5th function is nick fury. you don’t even realize how much he helped but he did. without his deep (subconscious) intel, iron man and other heroes wouldn’t have enough time to prepare.
6th function i imagine as a negative personality and maybe even a villain. and… well, since 2nd function is prof xavier then it would make sense to make this magneto. he can “demonstrate” some amazing power.
7th function is the easiest since john beebe called it “trickster” and that’s just directly loki. basically a more mischievous version of 3rd. this gif is perfect because in socionics this function called “vulnerable”. you defend your vulnerability here by denying you are vulnerable, lying even to yourself = tricking yourself and others.
8th function is hulk in the sense it over kills when we lose control but otherwise mystique. in socionics this is the “role” function which is pretty much the same thing with jung’s “persona” and persona is a social mask and mystique is a shapeshifter.
ili (intj) vs lii (intp) difference
@randompersona3asked
“If you have information about the difference of LII and ILI i would love to read that”
lii is intp. they got inferior fe aka fe dual seeking. they know their fe is bad and they accept their fe is bad but they wish their fe was better all their life. that’s generally how it goes for all types when it comes to their inferior functions.
ili is fe blindspot aka polr. they can sit there, look elitistic and can not care less about being a bad mood or whatever. they can EASILY go against the group. they pretty much value one on one relationships only. they want to connect with cool or smart or whatever people. group can go fuck itself.
liis look up to fe doms and find their fe skills fascinating, no less. how effortlessly this ese (esfj) or eie (enfj) fe-ing around and maneuvering themselves! ah, i wish i was like that too.
ilis can not care less about fe doms. in fact, in socionics, conflictor of ili would be ese (esfj).
let me see… there was this one intj video that showed great fe blindspot… here:
intjs will be totally disagree with that alpha quadra “lightheartedness”. they are much, much more edgier than intps.
infp estj duality
so infps are te inferiors and they really can’t order people what to do. they are too nice and they want to make sure your feelings are not hurt in the process. they are way too polite because they themselves being so sensitive they treat everyone with such sensitivity. NOW, this is such a big psychic burden, there’s always these ethical emoji question-birds flying around their heads and they can’t even begin to detach themselves from other individual’s perspectives (empathy) and focus on “doing the thang” let alone being creative or heroic or bold about it. (too much interpersonal ethics represses objective logics.)
(isfps are the same EXCEPT when they had enough of your bullshit. THEN, they can tell you what to do like “go fuck yourself” because they actually has se. disappoint an isfp once, disappoint an isfp twice and they decide you are an asshole with their ni child and ne blindspot whereas infps and their creative ne can generate a million excuses for others’ bad behaviour.)
thus, estj being a te dom takes so much burden off infp’s shoulders. they naturally ignore interpersonal ethics and apply objective logic all day. x must be done, you are not doing anything, you also gonna eat this x, so get your butt over here and get to work!
HERE IS THE TRICKY AND KEY PART: everything i said about infps doesn’t mean they dislike te at all. they totally see how that’s the thing they should do. imagine you are swimming in an ocean of feelings, feeling waves keep coming at you, your own and others’ and then there’s a goal ahead and you swim and swim against the current and it slows and tire you down. estj in this analogy is a motorboat infp can ride.
what estj gets out of this? love, loyalty, gratefulness, intimacy, sacred personal deep connection that they don’t have with anybody else… basically this one infp provides estj all the emotional juice he never knew he always wanted. now infp can teach him how to be more positive with the fi and not expect the worst from people, maybe. imagine infp snuggling estj and saying how much she loves him etc. which encourages estj to actually drop the defenses down and let himself feel too.
a bit like entp and isfj, there’s a caretaker / infant aspect to this duality too. but this time infp is the infant and estj is caretaker. infp brings joy, estj brings order.
si inferior
as an enxp would you agree that you have a very unadventurous, so therefore very traditional sense of taste? are you against wierd new dishes? as a kid, did you leave cooked onions uneaten? removed the carrots from the soup maybe? something similar? in short, are you or at least were you a picky eater?
you know, there are absolute favorites for all humans: meatballs! rice, who dislike rice? beans? fried potatos? everybody loves them right? these are the stuff when i say traditional. but when we move to mushy mushy stuff? aubergines, zucchinis, okra?
when you buy ice cream, do you go for vanilla and chocolate the same way? does strawberry flavor always disappoint you?
according to theory it should. because inferior function is lazy and sticks with what it knows for sure and do not want to try other things.
and to me there’s little difference between the taste of mushrooms and styrofoam. in fact, if it wasn’t unhealthy i would prefer the latter. a little bit salt and mmmwah *chefs kiss*
jung’s type part 2
somebody asked, after they see my typing of lii for him: Jung’s type is a very interesting topic. Have you read 7 sermons of the dead or the red book by Carl Jung? Do you see that sort of content as more Ti than Ni? Btw jung identified very much with Nietzsche. Jung felt that he Almost lost his mind the same way Nietzsche did. He understood and related very much. Btw he cheated on his wife for Se women that he saw being more like his anima. His anima figure in his dreams was an Se woman holding a chopped off head. Se polr?
my answer:
- inxps are ni demonstrative and they will demonstrate that in their writings or artistic creations the most. this is where mbti-four-functions-centric thinking will lead you to failure. an lii or eii writing ni stuff just expected. what’s not expected though, them to actually follow that ni in real life. they will still be into ne type of what if experimentation. this suits jung %100.
- i don’t type people based on dreams. i think results will be even less accurate than vultology. the moment you see an amazon woman in your dreams your anima is se? what’s your difference from freud with this type of thinking?
- jung also identified with kant. he constantly talks about him. like i said, in reality (not dreams), we do not see anything like fi child OR fe polr from him. freud one time said something along the lines how everyone was attracted to jung right away and liked him instantly. you can see that, freud does not need to tell you. jung is likeable like that intp from high school you used to know. completely and utterly harmless and making interesting points and smart and stuff. that suits se polr indeed.
- a man of jung’s position will find many women throwing themselves at him. the older your wife gets, and the younger and prettier these women trying to be with you, harder to resist.
fe, fi, te and se as trickster functions
fi trickster: extps will trick themselves and others that they are not sensitive like other humans, they don’t feel, they don’t care and everything is a joke with their edgy fe. after all, if you FIRST troll others and make fun of their feelings, they would be too busy protecting themselves against you… best defense is offense. you got tricked! one thing you have to remember that is VERY IMPORTANT is the fact this happens %95 subconsciously. they don’t actually plan this but it happens like an instinct so they trick themselves too.
se trickster: inxps will trick themselves they don’t care about se anyways, they don’t want to directly and impactfully compete with you like a brute, like a gorilla anyways. it’s just they like their comfort and they want to do things in their own pace! there’s no way se direct competition gives them se anxiety, it’s not that they doubt themselves when it comes to se “blasting”. pffff… of course not.
fe trickster: ixtjs will trick themselves and other that they are not sensitive to social norms like other humans with their edgy fi. after all, if you FIRST judge others and call them attention whores or gossips or dumb shits who keep laughing to anything and everything, they would be too busy thinking you are elitistic and narcissistic and stuff like that instead of thinking you feel socially awkward.
te trickster: pragmatism is evil! we shouldn’t worship facts! we should work toward our ideals or they will never come true! slavery was a fact once as well. like gandhi once said ““Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.” it is important because even if your contribution gonna be insignifact, yours + mine + many other people contributing to the same ideal won’t be insignicant! like buddha once said "Drop by drop is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.” let me give you more deep mystical advices on the edge of the wishful thinking, let me paint you more theoretical utopias while suggesting no tangible mechanistic way of how to implement any of that. ommmmmm.
fe in each slot
— in the first slot fe is perfection. it is inviting, it’s beyond being understanding and agreeable.
—- in the second slot fe is proper and classy and controlled at the beginning but if you get closer they start “demonstrating” that fi.
— in the third slot fe is bastardish, mischevious, edgy, too much or too little and playful in a daring way and almost always a bit sarcastic. one day you think wow this guy has great fe and the most other days you think the same guy is a troll. the reason because this fe is not supported by fi from the blindspot so it’s unbalanced.
—- fe pretty much always contradicts ti a bit so ti doms’ fe usage would be minimal in the fourt slot. when they try to use fe forcefully their ti says: “that’s not exactly true though.” exactly being the keyword.
— in the fifth slot fe pretty much does not exist. we can only talk about their fi dominance and perfect fi which focuses on individuals as opposed to people. they will be GREAT when it comes to one on one communication and they will always turn fe to fi that way so they will never use fe.
– i can only describe fe in the sixth slot as sassy. they will believe they can do better with their fi than fe and they are mostly right. btw, stop typing jlaw enfj. are you nuts?
— you see in the fifth slot fe was just ignored because infp and isfp were using fi instead. here in the seventh slot fe is not just ignored it is disliked too. even in the sixth slot, esfp and enfp were using fi to do “better” than fe. so fe was inferior to their fi but fe wasn’t necessarily bad or something. here, it’s bad. don’t tell ixtj what’s the proper way to behave, especially as a stranger! who the fuck are you anyway? who asked your opinion?
—– here in the last slot fe is basically fake. you will see this type of fe in most politicians. look at those robot eyes.
entp and sleep and program function
- entp wakes up only after 5 hours of sleep
- a big part of his brain would say okay, we need 2 hours more, we don’t feel truly charged up, we feel funny.
- but some other part of the brain keep suggesting things: you could go eat something, you could continue watching those series you were on, you could wake up the gf by biting her nips, you could do this, you could do that, wakey, wakey, dopamine bitch.
- consciously, i actually want to do 2. but 3. is more instinct like and i can’t make it go away. i try to repress it, i think other things, i focus on my breathing i just can’t convince %100 of my brain to sleep. other part fights.
- i interpret this as ne vs ti. ti from second slot suggests the reasonable thing but ne WANTS other things. it is an irrational function after all. it doesn’t care.
your personality type determined by nurture or nature explained forever so you won’t need any other.
sometimes it’s determined by nurture mostly and sometimes totally nature.
if you born as a very introverted baby, nurture have to be really intensely in the other direction to turn you into an extravert and that’s still in theory. you will probably stay an introvert.
but not all babies born very “introverted” or very “extraverted”. in fact, most babies will born with normal values so for these babies nurture going to play a very important role.
okay but how and why babies born as an introvert? or as a feeler? hormones and neurotransmitters can explain a ton.
for example a high dopamine baby will be more energetic, then they will explore more and cry harder and be restless. naturally, for this baby to become an extravert will be much more likely.
then, if a baby has more testosterone than usual this will further make them more direct, brave and masculine-like what else to expect?
but if a baby has low testo as a boy or high estrogen as a girl, then chances of these to become feelers gonna increase too.
see, i just talk about two hormones and so many stuff explained already. there are many other hormones:
and neurotransmitters:
- low noradrenaline maybe contributes to xxxp personality type development and high noreadrenaline to xxxj?
- high serotonin / gaba maybe increase the chances of high si and makes you chill?
- read this about acetylcholine / dopamine. which is all about introversion vs extraversion.
- and the things endorphins does can be read as a very stereotypical se definition.
so yeah, once again: the more normalized your values on these, the more nurture will affect you, the more open are you as a system to change. the more anomalies there are the more nature will determine things.
istj craftsman or inspector?
ignore fictional characters and how they are typed. ignore the way typology systems “nickname” certain types.
INREALITY, if we use our common sense, if we don’t just take what typology systems says word by word, we will realize the fact that both si/te and ti/se can be inspectors and craftsmans.
there’s nothing more natural than an si dominant person to sit down and craft something with his hands. you know, getting into the zone, ignoring everything else, finding that inner si peace within.
but at the same time, the same si dominant, te auxiliary person can use te more and inspect things just like an education inspector visiting a school, checking if shit around here is up to standards or not.
the same way, an istp would love to craft something using ti and see if this principle he learned or deducted will work or not. but at the same time, this ti dom can use his se more and check if things in actuality are dependable and strong and tough and has inner and outer integrity or not. slam the door of the car and see if it breaks. press all the buttons and SEE if shit works in actuality etc. but other than this obvious se methods, they can also use more ti to for example question the guy who is selling this car. see if they can detect contradictory information. istps can be therefore great inspectors and craftsman.
there’s of course a difference between the two though. i would say as craftsmen, istp will be more inventive because of ti deep questioning but istj will produce higher quality because of si patience and te more established methods.
