#johnny depp

bogleech:

So apparently some people actually don’t know this, but the depp trial literally was not done to determine who abused who, and the verdict was not that Johnny Depp didn’t abuse Amber Heard. The judges determined that he committed domestic violence multiple times, the jury never disagreed with this, and their official stance was that both individuals committed forms of abuse. This didn’t matter, because it wasn’t the subject of the lawsuit.

It was ONLY a defamation lawsuit, so the trial was only about whether Heard committed defamation/slander by publicly stating that she has been abused, in an article that never even specified the abuser.

Because the general public could “tell” the article was about Johnny Depp and it impacted his reputation, the jury’s verdict was that this fully constituted abuse allegations, and that abuse allegations legally constitute defamation. It didn’t have to be “false” allegations or not. ANY allegations.

This means - and this is the IMPORTANT part - that if Johnny Depp was in fact a pure innocent cinnamon babymuffin softboy who never laid a single finger on anyone while some evil witch tortured him for no reason at all, she could have sued him and won if he had been the first one to talk about it.

Let’s reiterate: this trial decided that –>NEITHER<– person should have been allowed to talk about their abuse in public without the risk of being sued. Neither of them.

If you don’t know how “legal precedent” works, it means that courts can be required to apply the same verdict to cases with the same facts as a previous trial.Every single person celebrating this as a “win” for “male abuse victims” is celebrating something that would only force more abused men (along with anyone else) into hiding it more than ever. Depp threw them all under the bus for the forseeable future just to punish his ex.

I honestly am so disturbed by pro-Amber shit that I need to start unfollowing people. Im not blocking anyone, I’m willing to hear people out on a personal basis, especially long term friends and aquantances. But this is a line in the sand for me. To be clear, im not talking about people expressing distress or discomfort or confusion, or even people taking a critical (if…messy, IMO) eye to the social media fervor. Im talking about staunchly, vehemently pro-Amber sentiments and the subsequent spreading of what I perceive as misinformation or outright lies. I wont subject myself to that content and I feel very uncomfortable around people who are jumping on that particular bandwagon. Im pretty repulsed by it and I cannot reconcile it at all with my sense of justice or compassion or truth. If you can listen to Amber on those tapes or on that stand and come out asserting shes not the abuser, I’m going to struggle to trust you. Its going to bother me and sour things.

Im sorry if that hurts anybody but its just how I feel right now. I need to distance myself. I didnt exactly want this outcome. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to talk this out or want to ask questions.

Having watched the entirety of the trial, also being aware of evidence and testimony in previous trials, I very strongly view Amber as the abuser. And if you do not, I ask you to hear me out.

I’ve had a lot of emotional responses to what I’m seeing from people around me. At the end of the day, even though I’ve felt some anger and disappointment at certain statements in the feminist community/feminist media about this, I still respect and care about people I’ve known here. And I understand some of the sentiments behind the distress and fear this has caused, particularly in regards to the way female victims are believed in this culture, especially in light of the ugliest responses this trial is getting from the right wing and assholes online in general.

That said, the truth felt very clear to me. If you have not watched the actual trial and are getting your information second-hand through media sources, I would stress the necessity of actually assessing the real evidence and testimony for yourself and coming to your own conclusions. I am saying this as someone who knee-jerk reacted to her accusations by believing her, and staying in that state for years until I actually heard her on tape and saw her give testimony.

My perspective on this is that Amber has done something cruel and damaging beyond words, not just to Johnny, but to the survivor community as a whole, and I feel that some in the feminist community are failing genuine victims in our support of her. If Amber is the abuser and Johnny is the victim, some of us seem to have decided that his claims of being abused should ultimately be believed less. We picked and chose which victim to champion, seemingly based upon what felt better and less uncomfortable, regardless of the evidence.

That is what it means to suggest that Amber’s accusations should be believed over Johnny’s, despite audio tape of her admitting to and minimizing hitting him, and mocking his pain. Despite multiple audio tapes of her very clearly emotionally abusing and gaslighting him when he talks about his feelings of pain and distress. I don’t think I really need to elaborate in this post on how just how much her testimony breaks from the evidence and everyone else’s testimony (and it certainly does), because I think the audio is just that damning enough.

An old man’s use of ugly, misogynistic language in texts to other people, where he was venting his anger and pain over being violently abused, is not somehow more damning than actual recorded acts of emotional abuse and admissions and minimizations of violence on her part. it is not somehow more damning than her previous DV arrest against a woman of color who was her own wife. It is not somehow more damning than the evidence of her sister’s abuse.

Imperfect victimhood does not sound like the Amber on those tapes, abusing him and admitting to violence proudly. it does not look like the completely opposite persona she has adopted for trial vs. the tapes. It sounds like a man not knowing how to articulate his trauma, and defaulting to verbally misogynistic nonsense. it looks like someone who copes with drugs. It looks like someone slamming some cabinets.

How much more does Amber need to show us who she is before we start having real conversations about what it looks like when women abuse men, and what that means in the larger context of “Believe all women?” Violence against men is a feminist issue.

And we have a real problem with perceiving that right now, folks. It just takes a glimpse at the TERF community’s rhetoric to see what some feminists have to say about trans women, who they doggedly assert are men. Because in their minds, men are always the aggressors, men are always predators, even when these women are blatantly, openly abusing other, more marginalized women in the same breath as calling themselves victims. These are feminists who believe that because their victims are “men,” the violence and abuse they perpetrate is not only justified, but praise-worthy. Or how some feminists use the “fragile white woman” stereotype to get away with harming and abusing and silencing more marginalized people, women of color in particular. It just takes a glimpse at our online communities, with our para-social relationships and our cyber bullying problem, and how we love to rally around the biggest assholes in our midst.

We are not helpless little angels. Our ideology does not prove our innocence. Womanhood does not prove our innocence. We do not get to absolve ourselves of wrong-doing in the name of ideological surety and comfort. We cannot rhetoric our way around the facts in order to retroactively justify our support of an abuser.

I see in Amber all of the women who have utilized the feminist movement as a smokescreen for their abuse. Amber is not our ally. She is our user. We were conned by her. And she and her PR are responsible for making it harder for women to be believed after it seemed like things were finally moving forward. They are making it harder to perceive female abusers, who are known for playing victim and entrapping their victims that way.

We are hurting. And I get that. I’ve known too many female victims who haven’t been believed. I know first hand how it feels to have the harm done by a man in your life be minimized and ignored by others. But Johnny cannot be made responsible for the weight of our societal distress just because he was a victim and dared to say so. Even if it was against someone who claimed their own feminist heroism.

Thursday throwback: Johnny Depp photographed by Itaru Hirama (November 1995)

Johnny depp still a crackhead and alcoholic who’ll die alone of an overdose and kidney failure

just because

twofacedcalf:

twofacedcalf:

at the end of the day that man’s defenders have gone full qanon like it doesn’t matter what she says or how many photos of her bruises or the insane amount of property damage she has. it doesn’t matter that there are audio recordings of him screaming at her “you don’t exist” and telling her nobody will believe her or or admitting to head butting her or threatening to hurt himself while she begs him to stop. everyone jumped at the first chance to take their foot off this man’s neck so they wouldn’t have to face the reality that he’s a piece of shit and now they won’t see anything else. even the dumbass “mutual abuse” crowd refuses to acknowledge the way only one of them is being smeared and mocked relentlessly across the internet (and now on snl, apparently.) it doesn’t matter to them that her allegations against him were made in 2016, well before there was a mainstream metoo movement to “take advantage of”. it doesn’t matter! does anyone else feel like dying

actually the worst part is how many young people pride themselves on being “too smart” to fall for propaganda are the ones leading the online charge against this woman because they watched a tiktok “debunking” her claims

NOT ALEJANDRO DRIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS DEPOSITION!!! KING!!!

Look, I know this is going to be a hard case for Johnny to win, because it rests on his team being able to prove that he *wasn’t* violent, not that Amber Heard *was* (which would be much easier, given that she’s already confessed on tape to multiple assaults). 

But god I want him to win so fucking bad. I want him to get up there, in front of the woman who said no one would believe him, and make her watch as most of the country does. 

sullxo:

Fuckin’ TMZ is profiting on the Depp v. Heard trial.

They are made a documentary special on Hulu, called TMZ Presents: Johnny v. Amber — From Love to Hate.

Don’t care your opinions, this fucking vile. Especially when they fight tooth and nail to keep Morgan Tremaine out of court, threaten Judge Azcarate, and threaten to sue. That’s digusting when they only turned around to make a profit on a domestic violence case.

DO NOT WATCH THIS SHIT ON HULU.

TMZ never had a lot of credibility or journalistic integrity to begin with, they’re a tabloid and all they care about is getting dirty laundry out to make headlines whether it’s true or not (from reporting miley cyrus dead in 2008, announcing lil’ wayne’s impending death in 2013, to posting fake photos of people like whitney houston and jfk) but this is a whole new low.

The actual trial is available for freethere’s no point in this show existing.

Why do we have to watch AH’s lies play out in HD again? If anyone is still confused about what happened, please just watch the actual trial instead of giving TMZ money for making this.

alvariearmy:

Something that is standing out to me so much is that people who support Johnny Depp and have talked about it… seem fairly level-headed in it. I have not seen many Depp supporters throwing out every accusation under the sun against people who support Amber Heard. (The closest I see is people saying that anyone who supports her supports is an abuser, which is just the truth.)

On the contrary, people still supporting Amber Heard call Depp supporters every possible insult under the sun. Homophobe, biphobe, transphobe, misogynist, rape-apologist, etc. Pretty much everything that most people would not want to be called. But I doubt I, a woman who has been a victim of a man before (not going into details here), am a misogynist. I doubt the many other women who have been victims of violence at the hands of men but still support Johnny Depp are misogynists. I doubt my friends, most of whom are gay or bisexual or transgender/nonbinary, are phobic against themselves.

The statements released by both parties after the verdict also indicate a lot about their characters. Someone else made a post that summed it up better, but Johnny talked about the people involved, including his children, lawyers, and the jury. Amber… talked about how she apparently lost her freedom of speech.

I made a post about AH and I was literally sent death threats. I had to turn off comments, reblogs, messages and asks after my post got upwards of 200 notes in a day. And me - bi survivor - was also called biphobic/homophobic and misogynistic.

The fact that really got to me is that every account I blocked (literally dozens) was a self proclaimed terf/radfem blog and they were calling me a bad person for disliking AH - you know, an actual liar and abuser, but in their minds I guess it’s totally cool to be transphobic for no reason other than people existing.

No wonder these are the people who support AH, they’re just as shit.