T’pring: I regret not being more forthcoming. Doing so would have most likely circumvented the unpleasantness of the kal-if-fee
Spock: I agree. However, in retrospect, my decision to join starfleet was most likely both unexpected and undesirable for you. My negligence likely played no small role in precipitating the events.
Spock: You and Stonn appear to be well suited for each other. Additionally because things have worked out well for me, I see no reason to bear any ill will.
T’pring: Indeed neither do I.
T’pring: oh! Is that your… Current partner?
Spock:
Spock: Yes<3.
T’pring:
T’pring: he seems nice.
Kirk: PLOMEEEEEEK!
———
I was chatting with a friend on insta about the Spock/Pring kiss in the snw trailer. And I mentioned how I really hope they don’t make Pring a villain. In my head, I feel like Spock and her really get along because they’re really similar personality-wise, they just aren’t head over heels in love with each other. I really hope they portray T’pring and Stonn as having a really cute, genuine relationship, and I hope that Spock and T’pring are able to make amends, and go on double dates, and gossip with each other about Vulcan Stuff. I really really really hope Spock and Pring turn out to be best bitches. Please paramount, can you do this one thing for me?
Addendum:
I also like to think that Stonn is as smart as paper.
———
T’pring: STONN, honey. Don’t give him that. Just come stand by me sweetie.
T’pring: I regret not being more forthcoming. Doing so would have most likely circumvented the unpleasantness of the kal-if-fee
Spock: I agree. However, in retrospect, my decision to join starfleet was most likely both unexpected and undesirable for you. My negligence likely played no small role in precipitating the events.
Spock: You and Stonn appear to be well suited for each other. Additionally because things have worked out well for me, I see no reason to bear any ill will.
T’pring: Indeed neither do I.
T’pring: oh! Is that your… Current partner?
Spock:
Spock: Yes<3.
T’pring:
T’pring: he seems nice.
Kirk: PLOMEEEEEEK!
———
I was chatting with a friend on insta about the Spock/Pring kiss in the snw trailer. And I mentioned how I really hope they don’t make Pring a villain. In my head, I feel like Spock and her really get along because they’re really similar personality-wise, they just aren’t head over heels in love with each other. I really hope they portray T’pring and Stonn as having a really cute, genuine relationship, and I hope that Spock and T’pring are able to make amends, and go on double dates, and gossip with each other about Vulcan Stuff. I really really really hope Spock and Pring turn out to be best bitches. Please paramount, can you do this one thing for me?
Addendum:
I also like to think that Stonn is as smart as paper.
———
T’pring: STONN, honey. Don’t give him that. Just come stand by me sweetie.
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
very much enjoying the tags thank you everybody
Wait till they all actually watch it and see the unnecessary titty window situation.
[ID: A collection of tags that read:
#THAT was the plot?? #and they wanted us to believe the guy didnt have sex with the unemotional guy?
#star trek is so so gay
#ive seen some posts. but i did not realize it was….. that gay.
#only halfway through did i realise that this was star trek #i thought at first op was watching some freaky ass gay scifi and i was fully prepared to try find it #but lo and behold #ive already watched the damn show
#star trek #are they… you know… ♀️
(In caps) #what #star trek invented fuck or die?????
#what the fuck is going on in star trek
#i have no idea what happens in star trek but uhm. #this is a little (long string of ellipses followed by semicolons)
#they didnt… they wouldnt… #you cannot be serious is that how all the startrek slash started? #spock went into heat???
#i would need to be lobotomized for my own health
#what the fuck is star trek about. End ID]
Based on some of the first-hand accounts I’ve read, fans already had thoughts in that direction but were very cautious about expressing them, because, you know, it was 1967 and they were nice suburban ladies. They referred to the idea of Spock and Kirk being in love as The Premise. One little housewives’ fan club in California wrote to Leonard Nimoy in the hiatus between seasons one and two, and he was very pleasant and agreed to come and meet their group and tell them about being in the show. They didn’t say anything about The Premise directly, in case it offended him, but of course they expressed their enthusiasm for the rapport between Kirk and Spock and how curious they were about Spock’s background and inner life. And Nimoy, who was working on season two by that time, said that he couldn’t give away any specifics but there was an episode coming up that would focus more on Spock’s personal life and the planet Vulcan, and they were naturally delighted and intrigued.
So when they sat down to watch season two, episode one, “Amok Time,” they were primed for an important Spock episode, and then that played out before their widening eyes and I think it’s safe to say it blew their beehives clean off their heads.
…And this is exactly how some of us got onto the path toward getting into SO MUCH [GOOD] TROUBLE later in our lives. Handwritten fanfic… pages and pages and PAGES of it. Tens and hundreds of thousands of words of fanfic. In looseleaf binders.
Just remember: “The first million words are for practice.” :) After that… all bets are off.
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
very much enjoying the tags thank you everybody
Wait till they all actually watch it and see the unnecessary titty window situation.
[ID: A collection of tags that read:
#THAT was the plot?? #and they wanted us to believe the guy didnt have sex with the unemotional guy?
#star trek is so so gay
#ive seen some posts. but i did not realize it was….. that gay.
#only halfway through did i realise that this was star trek #i thought at first op was watching some freaky ass gay scifi and i was fully prepared to try find it #but lo and behold #ive already watched the damn show
#star trek #are they… you know… ♀️
(In caps) #what #star trek invented fuck or die?????
#what the fuck is going on in star trek
#i have no idea what happens in star trek but uhm. #this is a little (long string of ellipses followed by semicolons)
#they didnt… they wouldnt… #you cannot be serious is that how all the startrek slash started? #spock went into heat???
#i would need to be lobotomized for my own health
#what the fuck is star trek about. End ID]
Based on some of the first-hand accounts I’ve read, fans already had thoughts in that direction but were very cautious about expressing them, because, you know, it was 1967 and they were nice suburban ladies. They referred to the idea of Spock and Kirk being in love as The Premise. One little housewives’ fan club in California wrote to Leonard Nimoy in the hiatus between seasons one and two, and he was very pleasant and agreed to come and meet their group and tell them about being in the show. They didn’t say anything about The Premise directly, in case it offended him, but of course they expressed their enthusiasm for the rapport between Kirk and Spock and how curious they were about Spock’s background and inner life. And Nimoy, who was working on season two by that time, said that he couldn’t give away any specifics but there was an episode coming up that would focus more on Spock’s personal life and the planet Vulcan, and they were naturally delighted and intrigued.
So when they sat down to watch season two, episode one, “Amok Time,” they were primed for an important Spock episode, and then that played out before their widening eyes and I think it’s safe to say it blew their beehives clean off their heads.
…And this is exactly how some of us got onto the path toward getting into SO MUCH [GOOD] TROUBLE later in our lives. Handwritten fanfic… pages and pages and PAGES of it. Tens and hundreds of thousands of words of fanfic. In looseleaf binders.
Just remember: “The first million words are for practice.” :) After that… all bets are off.
And it’s also worth bearing in mind that Amok Time was written by Theodore Sturgeon. Sturgeon was a bisexual writer (according to his friend, gay author and academic Samuel R Delany) who wrote “The World Well Lost” (1953) which may have been the first SF story about homosexuality to be published in a mainstream SF magazine, not to mention gay-coded stories like “The Saucer of Loneliness”. Ted Sturgeon was a brilliant writer about love, and he knew exactly what he was doing in Amok Time. Although he might not have known what it would spawn.
And if you are curious to read some of his fiction there’s a Selected Short Stories of Theodore Sturgeon out there, and the novels The Dreaming Jewels and More Than Human appear to be in print.
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
very much enjoying the tags thank you everybody
Wait till they all actually watch it and see the unnecessary titty window situation.
[ID: A collection of tags that read:
#THAT was the plot?? #and they wanted us to believe the guy didnt have sex with the unemotional guy?
#star trek is so so gay
#ive seen some posts. but i did not realize it was….. that gay.
#only halfway through did i realise that this was star trek #i thought at first op was watching some freaky ass gay scifi and i was fully prepared to try find it #but lo and behold #ive already watched the damn show
#star trek #are they… you know… ♀️
(In caps) #what #star trek invented fuck or die?????
#what the fuck is going on in star trek
#i have no idea what happens in star trek but uhm. #this is a little (long string of ellipses followed by semicolons)
#they didnt… they wouldnt… #you cannot be serious is that how all the startrek slash started? #spock went into heat???
#i would need to be lobotomized for my own health
#what the fuck is star trek about. End ID]
Based on some of the first-hand accounts I’ve read, fans already had thoughts in that direction but were very cautious about expressing them, because, you know, it was 1967 and they were nice suburban ladies. They referred to the idea of Spock and Kirk being in love as The Premise. One little housewives’ fan club in California wrote to Leonard Nimoy in the hiatus between seasons one and two, and he was very pleasant and agreed to come and meet their group and tell them about being in the show. They didn’t say anything about The Premise directly, in case it offended him, but of course they expressed their enthusiasm for the rapport between Kirk and Spock and how curious they were about Spock’s background and inner life. And Nimoy, who was working on season two by that time, said that he couldn’t give away any specifics but there was an episode coming up that would focus more on Spock’s personal life and the planet Vulcan, and they were naturally delighted and intrigued.
So when they sat down to watch season two, episode one, “Amok Time,” they were primed for an important Spock episode, and then that played out before their widening eyes and I think it’s safe to say it blew their beehives clean off their heads.
…And this is exactly how some of us got onto the path toward getting into SO MUCH [GOOD] TROUBLE later in our lives. Handwritten fanfic… pages and pages and PAGES of it. Tens and hundreds of thousands of words of fanfic. In looseleaf binders.
Just remember: “The first million words are for practice.” :) After that… all bets are off.
And it’s also worth bearing in mind that Amok Time was written by Theodore Sturgeon. Sturgeon was a bisexual writer (according to his friend, gay author and academic Samuel R Delany) who wrote “The World Well Lost” (1953) which may have been the first SF story about homosexuality to be published in a mainstream SF magazine, not to mention gay-coded stories like “The Saucer of Loneliness”. Ted Sturgeon was a brilliant writer about love, and he knew exactly what he was doing in Amok Time. Although he might not have known what it would spawn.
And if you are curious to read some of his fiction there’s a Selected Short Stories of Theodore Sturgeon out there, and the novels The Dreaming Jewels and More Than Human appear to be in print.
Spock pretending to suddenly go into Pon Farr in this novel in an attempt to escape his team’s captors, yelling whatever he can think of, and pulling out the Red Hour from Return of the Archons is making me lose it
FromA Contest of Principles by Greg Cox (who is clearly having way too much fun and also managed to sneak in references to both The Cage andAmok Time within two sentences)
Why do the XO and CMO have to come down to every planet with the Captain, depriving the ship of three of its top officers at once and putting them all in constant peril?
okay so spock (the alien in blue) essentially goes into heat. like literal heat like an animal. Anyway, spock’s in bloodlust in this episode and must go back to vulcan to have sex with his finace (or someone. but its supposed to be his fiance) or he’ll literally die. this is called pon farr and some backstory spock is half human and thought he wouldnt go through pon farr so he abandoned his HOT fiance to fuck around in space except oops pon farr happens so. he and kirk (in yellow getting his tits cut open, he’s also spocks captain and best friend) and their other friend mccoy go to vulcan so he can have sex with his fiance or get married or whatever so he doesn’t die. but then spock’s fiance (t’pring) is like no i dont want to marry spock i want to have him fight someone to death (which she can do) and spock at this point is fully in the ‘blood lust’ and is basically not in his right mind and doesnt get what’s happening. and t’pring picks kirk to be her ‘champion’ in the fight (her logic is that if spock dies in the fight she doesnt have to marry him and if kirk dies, spock will be so upset with her he won’t marry her anymore anyway). anyway kirk doesnt know that its a fight to the death and so he’s like of course i’ll do this fight if it’ll help spock and then he gets told it’s a fight to the death and he goes WHAT and right afterwards spock slices his titties open like in the gif. also eventually spock and kirk roll around in the sand and kirk fakes his death and THIS somehow knocks spock out of his blood lust and he goes back to the ship super sad bc he’s killed his ‘best friend’ only to discover kirk’s alive and we see one of his biggest smiles of the series (a big deal bc spock is vulcan and they dont show emotion). anyway this aired as the season opener in 1967. know your history and all that happy pride
She didn’t want to be a consort of a legend, she wanted to BE a legend!
Think about it, she was the first vulcan in like a hundred years that called off their arranged wedding! The drama that would’ve caused! The scandal! The rumors! Spock was spared all that when he literally flew away into space with his husband.
But T'Pring, well she lives on Vulcan so she had to deal with all the comments, the looks and the questions. I wonder how many other vulcans she inspired to get divorced and live more fulfilling lives with people they love.
Spock didn’t fancy getting married either, but didn’t have the guts to call it off, he was 100% ready to marry her and follow tradition. T'Pring went against tradition, expectations and generations of “honoring the ways” when she called for Kal-if-fee.
Forever mad that we were robbed of seeing Spock wearing traditional Vulcan robes in Amok Time, however I do think it’s incredibly funny and probably a big fuck you to everyone that he showed up to his own wedding in what was essentially his work uniform.
Dude didn’t even dress up for his own wedding! Imagine that? Your betrothed showing up at the altar in his Wendy’s work outfit!
We’ve got T'pring looking like a fine snack, T'pau dressed in her Sunday best and everyone else is wearing fancy tinfoil.
Then there’s Spock looking like JD from the hit TV show Srubs:
Here’s what he looked like (this photo’s by Marc Zicree). There are other pics via his Wikipedia page, which has much more about him for those of you who might be interested. And you can hear a brief interview with him here.
His Star Trek script for “Amok Time” has already been getting some discussion… which is as it should be, as I don’t think there’s any ranking system that wouldn’t put it at least among the top ten ST:TOS episodes. For that episode Ted created the Vulcan “Live long and prosper” greeting (to which Leonard Nimoy added the now-famous hand gesture, adapted from one that originated in Jewish ritual tradition).
Sturgeon also wrote ST:TOS s1e15, “Shore Leave,” which is completely different in feel from “Amok Time”, but in which you can still clearly hear the grace of Ted’s writing even when he’s being (for the circumstances) really funny. But that was always one of his gifts – for being serious without necessarily being at all somber. (Disclosure: Ted was a fixture in LA SF fandom in the late 70s, when I moved there, and so I was lucky enough to run into him pretty often at conventions and other functions of the local fannish circles. He was kindly and funny, one of those people who could critique someone’s writing both gently and incisively… which is a real gift.)
His TV work was a grace note to a long and distinguished writing career that started in the pulps and quickly surpassed much of their other content. As Neil says, his writing about love and relationships was unparalleled, and unquestionably far ahead of its time in terms of LGBTQ-friendliness.
His work is worth getting to know. My advice to everybody is: go find some, and experience one of the great voices of our field.
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
very much enjoying the tags thank you everybody
Wait till they all actually watch it and see the unnecessary titty window situation.
[ID: A collection of tags that read:
#THAT was the plot?? #and they wanted us to believe the guy didnt have sex with the unemotional guy?
#star trek is so so gay
#ive seen some posts. but i did not realize it was….. that gay.
#only halfway through did i realise that this was star trek #i thought at first op was watching some freaky ass gay scifi and i was fully prepared to try find it #but lo and behold #ive already watched the damn show
#star trek #are they… you know… ♀️
(In caps) #what #star trek invented fuck or die?????
#what the fuck is going on in star trek
#i have no idea what happens in star trek but uhm. #this is a little (long string of ellipses followed by semicolons)
#they didnt… they wouldnt… #you cannot be serious is that how all the startrek slash started? #spock went into heat???
#i would need to be lobotomized for my own health
#what the fuck is star trek about. End ID]
Based on some of the first-hand accounts I’ve read, fans already had thoughts in that direction but were very cautious about expressing them, because, you know, it was 1967 and they were nice suburban ladies. They referred to the idea of Spock and Kirk being in love as The Premise. One little housewives’ fan club in California wrote to Leonard Nimoy in the hiatus between seasons one and two, and he was very pleasant and agreed to come and meet their group and tell them about being in the show. They didn’t say anything about The Premise directly, in case it offended him, but of course they expressed their enthusiasm for the rapport between Kirk and Spock and how curious they were about Spock’s background and inner life. And Nimoy, who was working on season two by that time, said that he couldn’t give away any specifics but there was an episode coming up that would focus more on Spock’s personal life and the planet Vulcan, and they were naturally delighted and intrigued.
So when they sat down to watch season two, episode one, “Amok Time,” they were primed for an important Spock episode, and then that played out before their widening eyes and I think it’s safe to say it blew their beehives clean off their heads.
…And this is exactly how some of us got onto the path toward getting into SO MUCH [GOOD] TROUBLE later in our lives. Handwritten fanfic… pages and pages and PAGES of it. Tens and hundreds of thousands of words of fanfic. In looseleaf binders.
Just remember: “The first million words are for practice.” :) After that… all bets are off.
And it’s also worth bearing in mind that Amok Time was written by Theodore Sturgeon. Sturgeon was a bisexual writer (according to his friend, gay author and academic Samuel R Delany) who wrote “The World Well Lost” (1953) which may have been the first SF story about homosexuality to be published in a mainstream SF magazine, not to mention gay-coded stories like “The Saucer of Loneliness”. Ted Sturgeon was a brilliant writer about love, and he knew exactly what he was doing in Amok Time. Although he might not have known what it would spawn.
And if you are curious to read some of his fiction there’s a Selected Short Stories of Theodore Sturgeon out there, and the novels The Dreaming Jewels and More Than Human appear to be in print.
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
imagine you start watching this new show and it’s a silly little show about space set in the future then they announce the next season so you wait excitedly for five months and finally it’s here… you all sit round the tv and suddenly one of the main characters who is known for being unemotional starts going mad because of “biology…” and you slowly realise that he needs to have sex or he’s going to die so the other main character risks his entire career to help him out then they start ‘wrestling’ on the sand and the one going through the mating fever ends up killing the other guy which ends the fever but now he’s depressed because he just killed his best friend but wait he’s not actually dead the unemotional one is overjoyed everything’s fine and then they go back to work like nothing happened… you look at everyone else sitting in stunned silence thinking “did any one else think that was a little… yknow” then you accidentally start modern fandom and shipping culture
very much enjoying the tags thank you everybody
Wait till they all actually watch it and see the unnecessary titty window situation.
[ID: A collection of tags that read:
#THAT was the plot?? #and they wanted us to believe the guy didnt have sex with the unemotional guy?
#star trek is so so gay
#ive seen some posts. but i did not realize it was….. that gay.
#only halfway through did i realise that this was star trek #i thought at first op was watching some freaky ass gay scifi and i was fully prepared to try find it #but lo and behold #ive already watched the damn show
#star trek #are they… you know… ♀️
(In caps) #what #star trek invented fuck or die?????
#what the fuck is going on in star trek
#i have no idea what happens in star trek but uhm. #this is a little (long string of ellipses followed by semicolons)
#they didnt… they wouldnt… #you cannot be serious is that how all the startrek slash started? #spock went into heat???
#i would need to be lobotomized for my own health
#what the fuck is star trek about. End ID]
Based on some of the first-hand accounts I’ve read, fans already had thoughts in that direction but were very cautious about expressing them, because, you know, it was 1967 and they were nice suburban ladies. They referred to the idea of Spock and Kirk being in love as The Premise. One little housewives’ fan club in California wrote to Leonard Nimoy in the hiatus between seasons one and two, and he was very pleasant and agreed to come and meet their group and tell them about being in the show. They didn’t say anything about The Premise directly, in case it offended him, but of course they expressed their enthusiasm for the rapport between Kirk and Spock and how curious they were about Spock’s background and inner life. And Nimoy, who was working on season two by that time, said that he couldn’t give away any specifics but there was an episode coming up that would focus more on Spock’s personal life and the planet Vulcan, and they were naturally delighted and intrigued.
So when they sat down to watch season two, episode one, “Amok Time,” they were primed for an important Spock episode, and then that played out before their widening eyes and I think it’s safe to say it blew their beehives clean off their heads.
…And this is exactly how some of us got onto the path toward getting into SO MUCH [GOOD] TROUBLE later in our lives. Handwritten fanfic… pages and pages and PAGES of it. Tens and hundreds of thousands of words of fanfic. In looseleaf binders.
Just remember: “The first million words are for practice.” :) After that… all bets are off.
And it’s also worth bearing in mind that Amok Time was written by Theodore Sturgeon. Sturgeon was a bisexual writer (according to his friend, gay author and academic Samuel R Delany) who wrote “The World Well Lost” (1953) which may have been the first SF story about homosexuality to be published in a mainstream SF magazine, not to mention gay-coded stories like “The Saucer of Loneliness”. Ted Sturgeon was a brilliant writer about love, and he knew exactly what he was doing in Amok Time. Although he might not have known what it would spawn.
And if you are curious to read some of his fiction there’s a Selected Short Stories of Theodore Sturgeon out there, and the novels The Dreaming Jewels and More Than Human appear to be in print.
