Okay, I know that this will be a blip in the spn tag, but I. Don’t. Care.
My theory: Chuck is inside Jack’s body.
Let. Me. Explain.
Okay, so Chuck can see the future. All possibilities, all realms. Free Will exists and he hates it, but he still knows it can happen.
So what does he do? He plans contingences.
He’s up against the Winchesters. Boys he specifically created to do the impossible. He knows that the 1 in a billion chance that they succeed is an actual possibility. He sees everything. Dean, Sam, and Jack are literally the only beings still left in existence. He must have noticed Jack sucking up life force. He KNOWS that Jack can replace him. So what does he do?
Chuck infuses his God power with his personality.
Amara’s depressed, she’s not doing anything to stop him. Heck, we have precedent with Amara that Chuck is powerful enough to absorb and dominate an equally powerful being. (Which we have not seen that Jack is).
The boys don’t know. Cas is dead. No one will be able to tell.
So Chuck has his fun kicking the boys around and when Jack absorbs his power, he’s actually welcoming a parasite. Chuck takes over Jack while leaving just an iota of his personality behind to power his previous body.
The boys are clueless and Jack does not have enough power to fight back. Chuck is in control.
That’s why Jack does not go back to the bunker! Why he’s content to keep his aunt locked away in his mind!
That’s why Castiel remains in heaven instead of coming back to earth!
That’s why Dean dies on a freaking rusty nail!
Chuck wanted his ending. He’s passing as Jack just enough that people don’t suspect. He’s drinking up the irony of Castiel unable to be with Dean, because he is helping “Jack” rebuild heaven. And Chuck is going to put John riiiight over there just to rub in some salt in Dean’s wounded soul.
The boys, Cas, and the rest of them think that free will won. But no.
Chuck did.
If Dean doesn’t want Chuck’s apple pie life, then he’ll die as daddy’s little instrument.
If Sam didn’t want to stay in hell content in the knowledge he saved his brother, well then he’ll live hell on earth constantly reminded how he couldn’t save Dean.
If Cas wanted Dean to live freely, well too bad boo. You ruined my story.
Chuck’s still writing the story. And The Winchesters don’t even know it.
TLDR: 15x20 was Chuck’s ending because Chuck took over Jack’s body when Jack absorbed his divine power.
You don’t know how scary this post is to me, because I had the exact same thought.
If you look at how Jack stands at the end, it’s not at all how Jack normally stands
Jack’s arms are normally by his sides and slightly in front of him. I always say it’s because of his wings behind him pushing them forward, he’s a bit awkward as he’s also part archangel.
Well this is Jack in the last episode, see how Un-Jack-Like that pose is? It’s just wrong on him, it’s too adult, it’s not like Jack at all
But know who also stands like that?
Chuck…
So could just just be a coincidence? Maybe the director told Alex to stand like that because now he carries the light… then how do you explain this
That shrug is exactly the same
The smile
For reference this is how Jack used to smile
Look at both the eyebrow movement, even in the still, Jack raises his eyebrows when he smiles, look at how Jack actually looks happy. His full face lights up when he smiles. The smile after Jack become god is more a smug smile, his eye brows aren’t even raised. It looks like Chuck’s smile
@studio-hatter please join me in losing my shit about this
There are a lot of things in the finale that don’t sit well with me but my main issue is this:
The spnfamily and the actors themselves are very vocal about mental health awareness. They have made fundraisers, campaigns, and suicide prevention hot lines. They want to give us the message to always keep fighting and to never give up on life.
And yet, the finale, at its core, tells us that you can only find true happiness in death. Cas dies because of his happiness. Dean doesn’t get his heaven on earth. Sam lives but we can see how unhappy he is through the montage and he’s finally happy when he’s reunited with Dean in heaven.
I know the actors didn’t have much control over the ending but this just feels so wrong. I truely hope that any struggling spn fans CAN keep fighting and find happiness in their lives. Because life is worth living.
Yes - some fundamental disconnect happened there.
15x20 made SPN a tragedy.
But many of us weren’t watching a tragedy; we were watching a trauma survival narrative.
And that’s why, rejecting the ending is necessary, for many of us, to keep loving the story.
also while we’re here i’m still entirely insulted by dean getting a dog called ‘miracle’ that was effectively a replacement for cas, like he was entitled to one (1) miracle after saving the goddamn universe and restoring his own free will for the first time in his entire life, and he doesn’t get cas, he gets a fucking DOG like no… no thank you…
cas who has canonically been labeled “the dog who thinks he’s people” and “cas is like a talking dog” and “attack dog” and “purse dog” and more than I can even count, but in the end dean is not allowed to return his love confession and is given instead a dog they had the audacity to name “miracle” because after years of dean being canonically terrified of dogs, having a lot of weird trauma surrounding dogs, and being told point-blank that he does not like dogs… and after years of showing us that it was Sam who always wanted a dog, whose stories about what he did when he “ran away rom the life” frequently surrounded dogs and him living happily with dogs going back to his childhood and one of his own heaven memories… they literally chose to effectively swap out castiel, the confessed love of dean’s life… for a damn dog…
I don’t find it cute, or sweet, or “the one bright spot in 15.20.” I’m repulsed by it all.
(I mean, I love the doggo, she’s a good girl and deserves love and pets, but I can’t find it cute or sweet or want the dog anywhere near anything having to do with this either…)
I mean it’s another piece of subtext in the episode that just feels weird, like it’s supposedto make you go WTF?!?!
Because it’s not even like Dean gets to enjoy life with Miracle, because he’s dead in a hot minute.
And that feels, yet again, as if the episode’s subtext is making a snarky comment about the episode’s supra-text.
would die to be a fly on the wall in heaven when mary winchester explained to john that she got resurrected and started a delicate love affair with an alternate universe bobby, the next door neighbor and lifelong friend that john has beef with for raising his kids for him. also their masc son is bi and both kids are monsterfuckers
Monsterfuckers am now wracking my tired brain for who dean hooked up with outside of angels
@accidentalshipper - in a 7x13 Bucklemming dubcon special, The Slice Girls - Dean sleeps with Lydia, who unbeknownst to him, is an Amazon (and they are framed as monsters in the ep).
Then there’s the orgy he had with Crowley and the triplets of unspecified gender, which Crowley mentions in 10x01 Black. Crowley is a demon, so…
I’m drunk Chuck and this post is my design for the ending. Or, I am Gabe from “Mystery Spot” and i am here to teach you a lesson.
Disclaimer: I believe with my whole heart that nothing from this post is anywhere near what we are getting. It’s me being sarcastic.It’s a joke. I think I’m being hilarious, please don’t take it away from me. None of this should be taken seriously. On the opposite, the solemn goal of this post is to show that you should put all the negativity aside and stop worrying. We are up for a happy end!
Cas is not coming back. He just isn’t. The best season arc ever written in Supernatural? Oh no, you are just seeing things again.
Has been to empty before, bounced back twice? Naaaah, this time it’s different. This time it’s for good. No further explanation, just take my word for it.
Regarding Dean. He is not feeling this way about Cas, he can’t reciprocate and he won’t, this was a strictly brotherly relationship for him all way long. The looks? The jokes? The prayer? The parallels with Cain and his wife, with Sam and Eileen, Charlie and Stevie? The despair every time he loses Cas? He’s just a flirty little drama queen, sweetie, and you are delusional.
Sure, he is brokenhearted by the loss of a friend, but never mentions to either Sam or Jack what has really happened in the bunker. Why? Castiel is gone, that’s enough. No reflection on the matter whatsoever, they won’t ever speak of him again.
Character development who? Dean is still an angry man with his rock music, his car and his daddy issues, with “DON’T DESERVE - DON’T CARE” tattooed on his knuckles.
Cas’ confession goes in vain, as well as his sacrifice. Dean doesn’t get the message.
Dean keeps the jacket on as a reminder how hard he fucked up with the whole kill Bill(y) idea. It’s the coal fueling his anger, you know, the only thing Dean Winchester knows.
There’s also guilt, caused by the idea that, at the end of the day, Dean is the reason Cas is dead. Silly angel puts another brick in the wall of his self-hatred. The wall so high he soon won’t need Falcon 9 to reach Mars.
Forgiveness? Redemption? Learning, discovering new things about himslef for at least the last five years? Uh-huh, thanks, but no thanks.
Jack who? Something definitely went wrong with Billy’s plan of taking Chuck out, but we just pretend it never happened. We need Jack to sacrifice himself somehow, for the only acceptable ending, so he simply goes supernova. Again. But this time doesn’t miss.
What about Ruby? What about “you made it loud”? What about Lucifer attempting to get out? “Last time it took all the archangels to cage me” anyone?
Just sweep it all under the rug and forget it ever happened, for god’s sake, it’s not like every second of the show has to actually mean something.
The issue of Jack dying is also never addressed ever again, it just was meant to end this way. No biggie. His troubled relationship with Dean? Their touching conversations with Cas and Sam? The character’s arc screaming “I’m perceived evil, but I don’t want to be” not finished? Come again?
The show is about family. The Winchester family. And following the logic of never ending brothers’ deathly ping pong, it all ends with one of them dying during the fight. To save the second one, of course.
Which one? Dean always throws scissor, so it’s kinda predestined.
How? Heroically, given his unhelthy and unhelpful tendency to put everyone but himslef first. He didn’t even have to die, we see it clearly later, it’s done just for the sake of the Winchesters early seasons dynamics. Dibs on dying first!
Bobby? Eileen? Charlie? Another twenty humans? Sorry, kinda forgot to write them back into the script after they’ve vanished.
Let’s say they are not dead, just away. That’s a happy thought, right?
Everyone we cared about for years is either dead or gone, monsters are still lurking under the kids’ beds, but at least God is dead. That’s a win!
Fifteen years, a few apocalypses, a handful of deathes - yet no reflection, no regret, no lessons learned. The message from the creators: no matter what’s the journey, you still end up where you begun.
The last Winchester takes Impala, salts and burns the dead, and finally drives back to Stanford, following the dream of finally doing law after the exhausting years of killing, being killed and all the side effects.
And to celebrate the beginning of his normal life, Sam hits a dog, for crying out loud.
Happy end!
I probably will lose my mind every time anyone interacts with this post, because it’s fucking what has happened in the final!
I CANT. I HATE IT.
I took all my knowledge on how the story works and did everything wrong. I ended being right.
This is the first time I’ve seen this post and yeah I just figured you were writing about the finale being sarcastic until the end… but what really GOT ME about this was:
“I took all my knowledge on how the story works and did everything wrong. I ended up being right.”
That exactly explains everything. I didn’t even consider something so below my own worst case scenario because i literally could not even entertain the thought that they would fuck up literally every narrative point the rest of the show was building towards.
Goddammit Supernatural. We say its the worst finale of all time, but even that feels like an understatement at this point.
@sinnabonka Uhm this surely needs to be added to the S16 masterlist:
A new prophet is chosen to replace Donatello. Poor sucker finds out, when they predict the absolute worst S15 ending as a joke, and… it all comes true.
Regardingthat postofcrossroadscastiel’s that I just reblogged, I have a little exercise that people can do if they want to see for themselves what signs and symbols can mean within the greater story.
Get ahold of the movie “I Am Legend” with Will Smith. Make sure you have access to both of the endings. First watch the ending that was released in the theaters. Pay attention to all the images and mentions of butterflies throughout the film. When you get to the end of the film, what do you think the butterflies mean? Kind of nothing, right? Maybe they imply hope if you really stretch it. But basically, they’re just weird repeating symbols all throughout the film without ever making sense in the end.
Next, watch it again with the alternate ending. The one that I’m pretty sure was intended by the makers of the film all along but the studio thought audiences wouldn’t like it. Now what do you think all the butterflies mean? Oh! The butterflies are a hint to the ultimate message of the film. A huge change has taken place. A metamorphosis or evolutionary step sped along by the scientific efforts of humans. It turns out the protagonist may have been doing really bad things the whole time in the name of saving everyone. He’s been trying to make all the butterflies turn back into caterpillars instead of recognizing that perhaps there is some merit in being a butterfly.
So, while each individual is free to decide which version they like best, it seems pretty clear that all those butterflies meant something to the people who put them all in the film. In the theater ending they just seem odd. But in the alternate ending they make perfect sense.
The question then for any movie or tv show is which ending are you going to get? The one made to please the greatest amount of people and make the most money? Or the one that all the signs and symbols lead to?
With a story that has had as many people telling it as SPN has, there are certainly more than two possible endings. Some signs and symbols may have had meaning when they were placed in the story, but years later as the ending gets pushed further and further out their meaning got obscured or left behind. New signs and symbols get introduced by new story tellers and they lead to different possible endings. Sometimes they only become obvious in hindsight. And sometimes they only become obvious if the ending they were pointing to was the one you got. If you got a different ending, that doesn’t mean those signs and symbols never meant anything at all.
Here’s my attempt at a full timeline of the events leading up to, during, and after the complete debacle that was the Supernatural series finale complete with sources. I’ll be updating it regularly as more stuff happens/comes to light. If you think I’ve missed anything or gotten anything wrong, please do send me an ask. Otherwise, enjoy!
I just did a review of AWTWB on my bookstagram, but i felt that i wanted to do a more comprehensive one here with minimal spoilers cos I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS OMFG so here we go:
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This is it. The end of the Simon snow trilogy that I have grown to love and treasure for the past 4 years. I’ve got to say, Rainbow Rowell really did it with this final book, which I thought was a perfect conclusion to the series that tied everything up neatly. Rainbow mentioned that this book was “an ending about endings, about catharsis and closure, and how we choose to move on from the traumas and triumphs that try to define us.” I couldn’t agree more.
Everything that I found to be incomplete and unsatisfying in Wayward son (Simon Snow Series #2) was handled relatively well in this book, at least to me. Simon and Baz’s relationship felt much more real, as they both started to tackle the complex issues that were holding them back from having the solid relationship that they both desired. Not gonna lie, the first half of the book gave me a lot of pain, especially with all the pent up grief and pain Simon was struggling with, but I soon realised that it was essential for Simon and Baz to overcome these obstacles in order to properly find closure and comfort in each other. Seeing how their relationship evolved throughout the series is extremely heartwarming, as now I am glad that they both love & treasure the true, raw versions of themselves, which I think is essential in a healthy and loving relationship.
Another aspect of this book that I really enjoyed was Shepard. I don’t remember seeing much of him in Wayward son, which made his character very distant to me, but this book fixed it. His character was just CHEFS KISSES n ngl i wish there was more of him!! what a hottie Penny and Shepard’s relationship was one that I definitely saw coming, and I am so glad that Penny got the ending that she deserved.
And Agatha!! Oh my god i was so happy for her, she finally got the ending she deserved and i am so happy for her After all that she was put through, Im glad she got her own happy ending.
Even though this book might seem too real to be true (esp with all the happy endings), I still think it was the best way to wrap up this whole story, with everyone getting the life that they deserved. There was a small part of the ending that I wish was elaborated on morebut other than that, this finale met most of my expectations.
With this, Thank you @rainbowrowell for creating this magnificent and beautiful series, for it is one that will continue to live on within me for as long as possible.
I GOT SO EMOTIONAL WRITJNG THIS becos it just dawned on me that this is the last simon snow book……lord…
SPOILERS!!!! I know this won’t be read much, but my heart is so heavy and empty at the same time, I need to write to let it out.
After 15 seasons, the road has finally come to an end. It’s safe to say that we all had our own idea of how the show would end and what would happen to Sam and Dean, but I think it’s safe to say that NONE of us expected how it went.
I love reading comments after an episode of any show as I like to see how other people interpret what we saw. Everyone reads everything differently. I know that there at many people who wished episode 19 was the series finale. In my opinion, I thought it was a great season finale, as it was intended it to be. Yes, the flashbacks to all the characters we’ve come to know and love made us feel that it was the series finale. Sam and Dean defeated God. Jack is the new God and Heaven is in good hands. Sam and Dean are free and can finally live out their lives the way they want to. They were happy. But what we should all know is that “Supernatural” isn’t a show about happy endings. Especially for the Winchesters. Seeing them happy at the end of episode 19 made me worried for what was in store for the next episode. The last episode. The writers gave the fans service with episode 19 and I believe they gave themselves and the actors service or episode 20.
Episode 20, “Carry On”, starts off what seems like the next day after God was humanized as I like to call it. But we really do not know how much time lapsed since episode 19. Sam and Dean had their morning routine down to a pat, so it seems it could have been a couple of weeks or more. I found it comforting yet soothing how they couldn’t find any jobs. Everything seemed to be finally right.
Dean finally getting his pie was amazing. Sam pushing the pie in Dean’s face was even more amazing. However, we know there was one more job and we soon found out what it entailed. Btw, those masks were SO creepy.
The final hunt. The final fight scene. SPOILER ALERT. When Sam and Dean were fighting, I did notice that nail. I thought Dean would push the vamp’s face into it. You know, the Supernatural way with the blood spraying everywhere. What I did not expect was Dean to be pushed INTO it. I literally gasped at this. This was not the way I imagined it would happen. I don’t think anyone did.
Dean (and Jensen) always said they wanted to go out arms swinging and guns blazing. Everyone knew. The fact that it did not happen is genius. No one expected something as simple as a large nail would be a fatality to the unstoppable Dean Winchester. Which brings me to my next point. People were saying, including myself, that with everything Sam and Dean has face….they defeated GOD for crying out loud, how could something as a nail be the death of Dean Winchester.
Remember when they were horrible hunters in episode 10? Chuck took their “luck” away. So since Chuck isn’t God anymore and Jack is making things right as they should be, the way Dean should die should be something out of the normal for them. They are human and when your time comes, your time comes. We all know Dean deserved better. He deserved to grow old with Sam and live a normal life. But that is what we think and feel. Dean does not. And that is what people need to understand. We see Dean on the outside perspective. All Dean knew was to hunt. If he wanted a normal life, I feel like he and Sam would have stopped hunting when God was defeated. But they didn’t. They continued what they do best. Hunt.
I always knew Dean would die. He was damaged goods. But a working damaged goods. Dean dying during a hunt is fitting. Hunting and saving people is what he is known for. The same can be said for Sam, but as we saw in the very first episode, Sam just wanted a normal life. For Dean telling same to not save him this time, to not bring him back from the dead, Dean is accepting that after the battle with God, the angels and demons non-existent as they were before, he can finally accept death. On his own terms.
With his death, he knows that Sam will be “free” in a way from the life. It is Sam’s out. Because Dean, and me personally, feels that if he still lives, the two will always be fighting. Sam will never get the life of normalcy, Oh boy, I’m crying again. Also listening to Neoni’s rendition of “Carry on My Wayward Son” on repeat is not helping. Dean’s words to Sam were so touching. Asking permission to let go broke me. He wanted out. Unfortunately, death was the only way.
Dean wanted peace. Same wanted peace. The Fandom wanted peace. Dean got his peace. Unfortunately, it was in Heaven, but as we saw, it was the best thing for Dean. He can finally rest (Deja vu with Tony Stark!) I personally wanted Dean to grow old with Sam and have a family. But was just not in his DNA. His happiness is Sam’s happiness. From the beginning.
Seeing Sam trying live without Dean in the bunker was devastating. I was very shocked that we saw Sam give Dean the hunter’s burial. It was just so hard to see because it was a character we loved. They were a part of our family. We all lost someone there. But it was wonderful seeing Sam finally live the life he wanted from Season one. Having a son, another Dean. Keeping the impala. Sam’s son saying the same words to Sam as he said to Dean before he died. Dean driving until the bridge and knowing that he was reunited with Sam. Like just episode one. The symbolism is amazing. So emotional.
I am hoping for the fans who were not happy with the last episode will take time to watch it again, take time to revel in what happened, and process it. No one wants their favorite show to end. A show that’s been on for 15 years, that is a hard job to wrap up in one hour. I thought the writers did a fantastic job. My heart is so heavy and empty, but I am satisfied. I do not have any lingering questions.
I hope one day we will find out what the original plan for the finale will be. I know a lot of people wished to see John and Mary, even Crowley. But with COVID, the writers had to change a few things. And to be honest, I like how it was just Sam and Dean. Just like how it started. We knew John was out there hunting but rarely saw him. Bobby telling Dean his parents were a few miles away was comforting. Would it have been nice to see them, yes. But I think not seeing them and knowing they were there has more of an affect.
I just want to thank you to Jared, Jensen, Jim, Misha, Mark, Alex, and all of the amazing cast who ever appeared, the crew and writers throughout the years. You created something so special that will go down in television history. I miss you already.
He starts crying again, and Baz pulls him into his arms. Simon lets him. “It’s okay,” Baz says. “It’s all okay now.” One arm is tight around Simon’s back, and the other is smoothing his hair out of his face. “You did it, didn’t you?” Baz whispers. “You defeated the Humdrum. You saved the day, you courageous fuck. You absolute nightmare.” […] “It’s going to be okay.” Baz wraps both arms around him. “It’s all right, love.”
I love this so much!! I asked @miawinchester to do this for me and WOW, she definitely delivered!!
I love the song, I Was Here, by Beyoncé, it reminds me of my mom. The song combined with the amazing footage Eloisa put together, well I’ll just say that I might have cried quite a lot the first 15 times I watched it. It’s amazing, beautiful, and sure to cause a few tears.
WATCH THIS !!!
❤️
Thanks again Eloisa, @miawinchester I love it so so much!
XOXO, Liz
I second that!
WATCH THIS!
This is masterfully done! It’s beautiful and sad and touching and heartbreaking and hopeful.
