Loki vs Spiderman No Way Home on tackling the Multiverse

This post will contain spoilers for Spiderman NWH!

I’m gonna need Feige to entrust certain writers on themes that are gonna be touched upon in movies later on to be used in their series. Let me explain.

Spider-Man No Way Home really displayed how BAD and HORRENDOUS the Loki show actually is. Like, plot and writing wise, the Loki show has really, really aged badly. So I’m sitting here wondering, since technically NWH explores the concept of variants (a lot better than a whole ass show was supposed to), why didn’t the writers of NWH dealt with the series instead of giving it to an inexperienced writer/director? Genuine question.

NWH made the concept of the multiverse a lot more digestible than a series was supposed to in a way where if you didn’t watch What if ? or Loki (especially), you could understand it…because in this case Doctor Strange admitted that it’s a concept that he still doesn’t know a lot about. So it makes the audience not only equally curious but entangles them to learn about it at the same time with them. But as someone who DID watch Loki, I can tell the writer(s) has some really odd ideas on handling the concept of multiverses and variants.

What I loved about NWH concept of multiverse is that there was no “sacred timeline”. Loki’s idea of Kang keeping a sacred timeline is very flawed simply because to keep it in one “line”, there shouldn’t have been any variant drastically different from our Loki to the point they posed a risk of tampering with Kang’s desires of keeping a “sacred timeline” (examples like Boastful Loki, Sylvie, Alligator Loki etc). Branches that come from that sacred timeline should be mostly the same except a few environmental changes/decisions where it causes the flow of time to expand. I reiterate this because the Loki show contradicts itself. TVA would go as far as prune someone for being late on their way to work; we’ve seen them arrest normal civilians who you could tell were scared and confused.

NWH concept of the multiverse is very matter of factly and unified; the Peters were variants of each other [which by the way, this concept of the Peters being variants makes a LOT more sense]that are in a way technically not related by DNA but are in essence still the same person, just not the same individual since they come from DIFFERENT universes and NOT a BRANCH of the SAME UNIVERSE like Loki does. Their universal destinies were meant to be as Spidermen/Peter Parker. And it was done in less than three hours. In which I feel like that’s what the Loki series tried to do; to make the Lokis feel like their own person/treat the name as if a title of some sort but they of course failed in that aspect.

When you compared all that said with a lame, fascist organization, that apparently previously captured Thanos and vampires before but was easily defeated by being bitten by an eight year old Asgardian, made by a (black ) dictator pruning branches of the same timeline, but then have said characters contradict the existing ways the multiverse works in your show then… especially when you have a writer and director going back and forth not knowing what to exactly describe Sylvie as…

Oh and speaking of Sylvie, so apparently Marvel CAN do siblings of the same variant relationships but it couldn’t be done with Loki and Sylvie ? I mean they kinda had the same amount of time together. They could have fallen in love (since apparently it can take less than 12 hours). Ah wait ? You say the are MALE? Wait one of them in underage ? No wait pause. Is it because they are loners and never had siblings so they related to each other more easily making the dynamic a lot more wholesome? Huh would you look at that. No self cest. Not even a hint. Interesting….

My expectations on dealing with the multiverse shenanigans are really high now. Especially with the knowledge that it CAN be done well. I don’t know how they’re going to go forward with Multiverse of Madness since Micheal Waldron, yes THE Micheal Waldron from the LOKI show I kept shitting on is the HEADWRITER. I’m also curious on how they are going to handle season two.

What a mess.

I kinda wanna know what were on the writers’ mind when they decided to have child Sylvie escape the so called terrifying, fascist, authoritarian, all time powerful organization and its time cops by having same variant bite the wrist of a minutemen…and somehow getting their hands on the timepad and be on the run for centuries. This is supposed to be a powerful organization, no?

If the scene was from a comedy scene, I will understand and not be as critical. Hell the first time I saw it on scene I chuckled because of how ridiculous it was until it hit me…this is supposed to be an actual scene..like an actual serious, emotional scene.

Shit like this makes it hard to enjoy Sylvie, to take seriously the TVA and to not question Marvel’s integrity by letting the writers get away with such a lame, unrealistic escape method.

If I see one more time that user oceanian piss milk or any other user talk about how “antis” making the show a better success because of our “hate” [of that goddamn ship], I am going to self combust.

Is this what we as fandoms been reduced to? To only see the surface level pettiness drama of a ship and not all angles of problematic aspects, from a story point as well? Like yeah I talked about the shipping aspect of Loki but it’s a lot more than “hurr durr Tommy Hiddlies kissed another wahman1!1!1!” It’s been more than that. You can not tell me all this time you somehow avoided all the new (bad) takes this show keeps popping up with that people rightfully are criticizing.

Yes the selfcest shit is still gross but we are beyond that point. It’s like y’all are aware y’all have selective hearing and are deliberately ignoring the other crap besides selfcest, the other characters and their crappy treatment, development and how that also affected the plot and people’s perception: of the show and outside of it.

I beg you if you do not want to participate in critical discussions of a show (which it’s fine, you do you), don’t hijack it by trying to pretend to be this holier than thou fan who feels superior because you suck disney and marvel execs’ toes harder than everybody else.

Can pro Loki pro sylki pro Sylvie pro mobius etc actually engage in thoughtful, insightful, intelligent, valid counter arguments said about the Loki series?

…or are y’all going to hide behind the “internalized misogyny” “y’all biphobic” “y’all homophobic” “it’s not that serious” “mobius did nothing wrong” argument comments and only talk about those exclusively in regards to the criticism received by the Loki show? And how about the “actors deserve better”?

No because I’m getting bored from watching the same pro blogs especially pro sylki blogs call out those who rightfully criticize the show as “misogynist”; pitting everyone on the same bowl. Are there misogynistic fans? Yes. Ignore those because those are spewing meaningless “counter arguments” which only counts as hate.

But when a genderfluid fan makes a long ass post explaining the problematic aspects or a POC, suddenly those blogs are quiet. Suddenly your answering asks about fans complaining about the “misogyny”. Their whole blog is literally filled of nothing but praise and asks about “concerned fans”.

Don’t even get me started on the “anti antis”and their posts. When once in a while you see a post that says “misogynists always say the same thing about how Sylvie is a Mary Sue” and similar posts.

Imagine… not being able to go as far as not mention the writing or else some braindead 19 or 20 year old use some Twitter buzzword to insult you by doing so.

I sincerely don’t get this. I can’t count how many times I’ve been challenged in regards to a show or fandom I’m part of. And I appreciated every moment.

You guys are the boring toxic positivity fans the people are tired about. Switch up a bit.

I’ve decided bears will be the Amora fan symbolism bc they mind their own business until u poke them and they’re constantly getting cock blocked

Get it bc the TVA turned him into a “good guy” and then he kissed Sylvie. Y’all get it? Because normal Loki wouldn’t ever, and normal Loki is considered to be “Evil” in the MCU so then the opposite would be good even though he was never rly ev- nvm…U wouldn’t get it.

Loki writer memes part 1