Guys…there’s nothing wrong being challenged…there’s nothing wrong with putting a different point of view.
But when you obviously do it in a condescending way, despite (me) taking time answering every point made, with very questionable points…
And then you say my meta is “bad” and block me? I- I don’t understand this logic.
Like I don’t get the hypocrisy.
You blocking me tells me that you are not up to the challenge, that you can’t accept possibly being wrong. That you are immature.
And this is the person who goes parading through toxic positivity fans in the Loki tag. This is a person I have agreed with before. But apparently that don’t mean shit.
Everyday I’m reminding that there are some unhinged and immature people on the internet. Like good golly I can’t amount the times I’ve been proven wrong (sometimes daily), I’ve been roasted…I’ve learned something new.
These people the moment they are told they have a bad take they cover their ears and go “lalalaa I can’t hear you!1!1”. That’s the equivalent of blocking someone after a debate over a meta.
Oof no wonder people tell us antis are unhinged. Welp there’s something pro sylki and pro Loki series fans have over. This person is definitely not worth my time.
But at least those who see my reblog may learn from the meta.
Loki vs Spiderman No Way Home on tackling the Multiverse
This post will contain spoilers for Spiderman NWH!
I’m gonna need Feige to entrust certain writers on themes that are gonna be touched upon in movies later on to be used in their series. Let me explain.
Spider-Man No Way Home really displayed how BAD and HORRENDOUS the Loki show actually is. Like, plot and writing wise, the Loki show has really, really aged badly. So I’m sitting here wondering, since technically NWH explores the concept of variants (a lot better than a whole ass show was supposed to), why didn’t the writers of NWH dealt with the series instead of giving it to an inexperienced writer/director? Genuine question.
NWH made the concept of the multiverse a lot more digestible than a series was supposed to in a way where if you didn’t watch What if ? or Loki (especially), you could understand it…because in this case Doctor Strange admitted that it’s a concept that he still doesn’t know a lot about. So it makes the audience not only equally curious but entangles them to learn about it at the same time with them. But as someone who DID watch Loki, I can tell the writer(s) has some really odd ideas on handling the concept of multiverses and variants.
What I loved about NWH concept of multiverse is that there was no “sacred timeline”. Loki’s idea of Kang keeping a sacred timeline is very flawed simply because to keep it in one “line”, there shouldn’t have been any variant drastically different from our Loki to the point they posed a risk of tampering with Kang’s desires of keeping a “sacred timeline” (examples like Boastful Loki, Sylvie, Alligator Loki etc). Branches that come from that sacred timeline should be mostly the same except a few environmental changes/decisions where it causes the flow of time to expand. I reiterate this because the Loki show contradicts itself. TVA would go as far as prune someone for being late on their way to work; we’ve seen them arrest normal civilians who you could tell were scared and confused.
NWH concept of the multiverse is very matter of factly and unified; the Peters were variants of each other [which by the way, this concept of the Peters being variants makes a LOT more sense]that are in a way technically not related by DNA but are in essence still the same person, just not the same individual since they come from DIFFERENT universes and NOT a BRANCH of the SAME UNIVERSE like Loki does. Their universal destinies were meant to be as Spidermen/Peter Parker. And it was done in less than three hours. In which I feel like that’s what the Loki series tried to do; to make the Lokis feel like their own person/treat the name as if a title of some sort but they of course failed in that aspect.
When you compared all that said with a lame, fascist organization, that apparently previously captured Thanos and vampires before but was easily defeated by being bitten by an eight year old Asgardian, made by a (black ) dictator pruning branches of the same timeline, but then have said characters contradict the existing ways the multiverse works in your show then… especially when you have a writer and director going back and forth not knowing what to exactly describe Sylvie as…
Oh and speaking of Sylvie, so apparently Marvel CAN do siblings of the same variant relationships but it couldn’t be done with Loki and Sylvie ? I mean they kinda had the same amount of time together. They could have fallen in love (since apparently it can take less than 12 hours). Ah wait ? You say the are MALE? Wait one of them in underage ? No wait pause. Is it because they are loners and never had siblings so they related to each other more easily making the dynamic a lot more wholesome? Huh would you look at that. No self cest. Not even a hint. Interesting….
My expectations on dealing with the multiverse shenanigans are really high now. Especially with the knowledge that it CAN be done well. I don’t know how they’re going to go forward with Multiverse of Madness since Micheal Waldron, yes THE Micheal Waldron from the LOKI show I kept shitting on is the HEADWRITER. I’m also curious on how they are going to handle season two.
I kinda wanna know what were on the writers’ mind when they decided to have child Sylvie escape the so called terrifying, fascist, authoritarian, all time powerful organization and its time cops by having same variant bite the wrist of a minutemen…and somehow getting their hands on the timepad and be on the run for centuries. This is supposed to be a powerful organization, no?
If the scene was from a comedy scene, I will understand and not be as critical. Hell the first time I saw it on scene I chuckled because of how ridiculous it was until it hit me…this is supposed to be an actual scene..like an actual serious, emotional scene.
Shit like this makes it hard to enjoy Sylvie, to take seriously the TVA and to not question Marvel’s integrity by letting the writers get away with such a lame, unrealistic escape method.
If I see one more time that user oceanian piss milk or any other user talk about how “antis” making the show a better success because of our “hate” [of that goddamn ship], I am going to self combust.
Is this what we as fandoms been reduced to? To only see the surface level pettiness drama of a ship and not all angles of problematic aspects, from a story point as well? Like yeah I talked about the shipping aspect of Loki but it’s a lot more than “hurr durr Tommy Hiddlies kissed another wahman1!1!1!” It’s been more than that. You can not tell me all this time you somehow avoided all the new (bad) takes this show keeps popping up with that people rightfully are criticizing.
Yes the selfcest shit is still gross but we are beyond that point. It’s like y’all are aware y’all have selective hearing and are deliberately ignoring the other crap besides selfcest, the other characters and their crappy treatment, development and how that also affected the plot and people’s perception: of the show and outside of it.
I beg you if you do not want to participate in critical discussions of a show (which it’s fine, you do you), don’t hijack it by trying to pretend to be this holier than thou fan who feels superior because you suck disney and marvel execs’ toes harder than everybody else.
Can pro Loki pro sylki pro Sylvie pro mobius etc actually engage in thoughtful, insightful, intelligent, valid counter arguments said about the Loki series?
…or are y’all going to hide behind the “internalized misogyny” “y’all biphobic” “y’all homophobic” “it’s not that serious” “mobius did nothing wrong” argument comments and only talk about those exclusively in regards to the criticism received by the Loki show? And how about the “actors deserve better”?
No because I’m getting bored from watching the same pro blogs especially pro sylki blogs call out those who rightfully criticize the show as “misogynist”; pitting everyone on the same bowl. Are there misogynistic fans? Yes. Ignore those because those are spewing meaningless “counter arguments” which only counts as hate.
But when a genderfluid fan makes a long ass post explaining the problematic aspects or a POC, suddenly those blogs are quiet. Suddenly your answering asks about fans complaining about the “misogyny”. Their whole blog is literally filled of nothing but praise and asks about “concerned fans”.
Don’t even get me started on the “anti antis”and their posts. When once in a while you see a post that says “misogynists always say the same thing about how Sylvie is a Mary Sue” and similar posts.
Imagine… not being able to go as far as not mention the writing or else some braindead 19 or 20 year old use some Twitter buzzword to insult you by doing so.
I sincerely don’t get this. I can’t count how many times I’ve been challenged in regards to a show or fandom I’m part of. And I appreciated every moment.
You guys are the boring toxic positivity fans the people are tired about. Switch up a bit.
misogynists anti-Sylvies really wanted Sylvie to be this picture-perfect princess who would pat Loki on the back every time he so much as thought about not killing innocents, would give up everything she ever fought for just so he would have an elevated self-esteem, and would follow him blindly to support his character arc with no consideration whatsoever for her own.
well Sylvie said “fuck that”, decided to take over the Loki fandom, became the major driving force for the plot, kissed Loki and then kicked him halfway across the multiverse, and then stabbed one of the most powerful people in the mcu.
If girlboss™️ was ever a post, it’s this right here. Word for word. I think I pulled a muscle on how hard I cringed.
Honestly how do you people go about your every day lives using “misogyny” as an excuse to avoid actual concrete valid counter arguments or just any responsibility going on in your life.
I’m gonna go around and call people racist if they don’t let me drop kick them in their balls and steal candy from a baby. May sprinkle colonizer if it escalates. I’ll update you all how it’ll go.
I feel like a lot of the Sylvie hate is coming from a place of internalized misogyny. Like, a lot of people on here seem to dislike her because she’s a strong female character.
Ugh. Okay so if anyone has to use misogyny in any argument as something pro then obviously their argument is invalid.
But what about those who have actual counter arguments to the character,mm?
See you people posts stuffs like this (with anti tags especially; those never miss) and then have the audacity to have the comments disabled and if there was a chance to do so, will disable reblogs as well.
So I’m coming here, not as someone who hates Sylvie (at all) because she’s a woman, who have valid arguments to her creation as a character and her existence as whole.
I know many people who do as well.
It’s all about searching for yourself. Instead of posting bait like this.
Anti antis, the ball is in your court.
How is my argument invalid? A number of posts I’ve seen on here from people who dislike Sylvie have come down to disliking her because she’s a “Mary Sue” or because she’s a strong female character who is independent. Or because she kissed Loki and they don’t like that someone other than themselves kissed him. Not to mention the biphobia because they are a hetero appearing couple, despite both being bi. A lot of the hate towards Sylvie seems to be rather petty, honestly.
Are my comments disabled? Shoot. I forgot I had done that. I’ll open them up again. Sorry about that. I disabled them a little while ago and forgot about it.
I didn’t say your argument is invalid. I said if anyone has to use misogyny as a pro argument then it’s automatically invalid.
Ever take a step back and wonder why those are the reasons? Because many have written long dissertations (including myself). It’s not as easy as saying “she’s just all that ugh”. Nobody with a sense of dignity, who have a feeling to explain why&how, will spew bold reasonings unless they are going to back it up.
And it’s also unfair to lump those who make bold accusations (with all their right) with the ones who do and back it up. Just like I read long dissertations pro Loki series etc and pick them apart but still do my part to understand the other side, vice versa should occurred if we ever want to find a happy medium in this god forsaken fandom.
The Loki show and the aftermath of it all is going to be such great material for my communications major. I soon start to work for my Unis magazine and the whole shenanigans of its existence is enough to make a thesis out of it.
Excited (for once) to earn another Bach. Going to be an interesting two years.
I feel like a lot of the Sylvie hate is coming from a place of internalized misogyny. Like, a lot of people on here seem to dislike her because she’s a strong female character.
Ugh. Okay so if anyone has to use misogyny in any argument as something pro then obviously their argument is invalid.
But what about those who have actual counter arguments to the character,mm?
See you people posts stuffs like this (with anti tags especially; those never miss) and then have the audacity to have the comments disabled and if there was a chance to do so, will disable reblogs as well.
So I’m coming here, not as someone who hates Sylvie (at all) because she’s a woman, who have valid arguments to her creation as a character and her existence as whole.
I know many people who do as well.
It’s all about searching for yourself. Instead of posting bait like this.
I love Loki and Tom Hiddleston but I’m sorry that show as a whole is an easy 7.5/10. I would have taken the .5 because of the selfcest alone but I’m not THAT petty.
How “Loki” managed to make Loki’s “outed” version also be their most heteronormative one
Well hello again!! This one’s gonna be a single post, and relatively shorter than my previous ones (God I hope). I just want to get into one little detail that bothered me while watching Loki—the blatant heteronormativity of all that.
I’m not even talking about plot, the well is deeper ( that’s a Brazilian saying, I don’t know if it exists in English. Oh well)
SO KKKKKKKKKKK LOKI HUH. Unless you’ve been hibernating for the last few months, you probably know that some time ago, Disney+ debuted its third series on the platform,Loki, AND TUMBLR WAS ON FIRE. And there’s already been a lot of discussion regarding some aspects of the series, some plot choices, well, all sort of things. However, I won’t get into all the issues regarding his bissexual representation, or the gender fluidity issue, or even anything regarding Sylvie or Mobius. If you want to know more about it, you can have quick walk around tumblr, or even just go and see what Russell T. Davies has to say about it. It was a crazy ride, this series.
But I know there are a lot of different takes on this matters, and there’re many ways in which you can relate to a media or story, and it’s not my place here to meddle. If you liked the series, if the queer representation of this series was something that resonated with you, was something meaningful to you, that’s genuinely great. So I’ll abstain myself to my area of study, Visual Culture, and therefore what I want to talk about here is costume design. More specifically, Loki’s.
(just a disclaimer, I’ll be refering to Loki using he/him pronoums, since in the series is clear that he identifies himself as male. Also, I won’t cover any aspects of Loki in the comics — or even Norse mithology or other medias —and their portrail there, because otherwise this would be WAY longer, so I’ll just stick to the MCU)
Okay can anyone, other than mdcoochie since they blocked me, make sense of this lol
(please read the whole entire thing you won’t be disappointed…or maybe you will)
This is why I said what I said. Yes they used manipulation. Yes they are a villain! No it wasn’t for the same reasons; not even the same ways.
Loki caused all the ruckus by inviting Frost Giants to Thor’s inauguration because he wanted to not only sabotage it but to prove to Odin Thor wasn’t fit for the throne. In a mischievous and shitty way yes, but that was the goal. Because Odin raised Loki into a falsehood that he was meant to be king of Asgard when that was never going to happen, at least, not on purpose. Causing Loki to feel disregarded and always on Thor’s shadow. Odin’s goal of Loki was always to use raise him as a political pawn; his so called benevolence raised him like that to supposedly one day tell him his real origins so he can “peacefully” take over become king. Finding out his origins disrupted everything; what he believed, his true purpose, everything. Not to mention he then moved on from being Odin’s pawn to Thanos’.
Can someone finally realized that the way Loki will plan, manipulate, lie, kill after the fact would never be the same as Killmonger(please read my Killmonger analysis here then come back).
Killmonger goals are not the same. What if? gave an alternative to his plans which was always going to have the same outcome- to take over what he felt entitled to (because he was robbed of such opportunity for an ignorant reason) and come back to his rightful place (home) with later on intentions to help those who were in the same spot as him. The struggles he felt as a POC can’t be compared to Loki therefore their methods (and the why) can’t be either! Not when you downplay it like this to the point it doesn’t even make any sense!
Y’all this is why some of you need improve your critical thinking skills! It’s not about who murdered more, who ranks more as “evilier”, who’s more of a piece of shit. None of that will matter if you don’t make sense of why they used those methods to get where they are in the first place!
Just like Jimmy Woo said “an over simplification of events”.
Blocking me and telling me this afterwards isn’t making your argument any smarter.
I’m kinda glad I not so accidentally came across this. Stupid reason to get blocked because someone gave you more insight because they don’t hold the same supposed morality standards as you do but whatever it’s tumblr
Your point is that they used the same methods therefore they are equally bad because they even have the same motives. Like huuuh?
This is why I said in my In Killmonger’s Defense post on why not every POC story is meant to be understood by everyone.
I’m wondering if the Loki show has anything to do with this kind of thinking. Because after the Loki show, there was been this surge where people disregard fan favorite villains and the reason why they are understood (not praised for what they did). I’m willing to bet the whole argument this user talked about initially is probably made from their head so they can justify writing how they really felt about Loki. Just throwing a theory out there.
Get it bc the TVA turned him into a “good guy” and then he kissed Sylvie. Y’all get it? Because normal Loki wouldn’t ever, and normal Loki is considered to be “Evil” in the MCU so then the opposite would be good even though he was never rly ev- nvm…U wouldn’t get it.
