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Hello yet again.

Since more Golden Kamuy chapters have been piling up, and with them more Sugimoto and Ogata angst, I’m going to pinpoint what other new scenes popped up ever since chapter 200 happened.

Here’s Part I: http://daewonhoff.tumblr.com/post/182743868378/sugimoto-and-ogatas-rivalmance

And Part II: https://sandflow.tumblr.com/post/185315377728/sugimoto-and-ogatas-rivalmance-part-ii

Chapter 200: Sugimoto monologues the line “get well and come back to me, so I can kill you.” to Ogata. 

I’ll come back to this scene because the volume version came out some time ago and Noda changed a small detail in the last page.

This is the magazine version of the page:

Notice that Sugimoto’s eyes look blank (which happen when a character is in danger, fights someone or is threatening someone).

This is the volume version of the page:

Notice that Sugimoto’s eyes don’t look blank anymore and are now full of life with a little spark added to them.

Because of this change, Sugimoto doesn’t seem as threatening as he is in the initial version of the chapter. You could say that his line now sounds as a “Get well soon you shit” rather than a threat.

Chapter 201: Sugimoto’s group tries to travel through Karafuto. They get ambushed by a sniper. Everyone thinks it’s Ogata. 

Sugimoto is going straight to the sniper to kill him.

A very devoted man trying to chase after his supposed nemesis.

Chapter 202: Sugimoto is thinking about how he will kill Ogata.

And Sugimoto being shocked it wasn’t Ogata.

So, after terrorizing Vasily by chasing him around the building, he finally catches him.

Notice his blank stare in the last panel. He’s ready to kill.

And then he notices the Ogata drawing that was coming out of Vasily’s pocket.

He suddently stops attacking and his eyes seem to have a glimmer of light in them now.

Chapter 203: Sugimoto thinks Vasily is in cahoots with Ogata so he starts to interrogate him.

Sugimoto tries to ask him questions but there is a clear language barrier going on. He tries to explain that Ogata is the biggest baddie of them all.

So he starts drawing Ogata and how he escaped the hospital.

And as the image shows, we have a centaur Ogata with his dick out.

Sugimoto felt like he wanted to explain how he saved Ogata and also added that he did to save Asirpa from becoming a killer, followed by some suspension lines. What are the dots for Noda? HM? Did Sugimoto have any other reason so as to save Ogata?

And this is how the Ogata fanclub was born.

From these chapters it’s clear that Sugimoto considers Ogata a threat, and that also thinks of him as a bad person, yet he spared Vasily’s life (who shot Shiraishi in the leg) and indulged in drawing his version of the story.

After this fanclub encounter, the Sugimoto gang is now advancing further to Hokkaido.

Shiraishi questions why Vasily is following them. It’s then concluded that he is after Ogata. Sugimoto then says this line:

Which is interesting because, we are now hearing Sugimoto’s point of view about what Vasily thinks. How does Sugimoto know what he thinks? Is he projecting? Does Sugimoto think that maybe Ogata is after him until he kills him?

Hell if I know. 

Moving on. 

Asirpa then wonders if Ogata will come back to them, but is unsure why he would considering that he doesn’t give a damn about the gold.

And Sugimoto says he’s doing it for the yolo.

Sugimoto’s expression looks as if he really doesn’t know what Ogata is after.

tbh Sugimoto the whole fandom wonders what he wants so you’re not alone

And even if he doesn’t know what he’s after, he still has the imminent urge of thinking that Ogata is their enemy.

Chapter 222: Ogata came back in the plot and is now in Hijikata’s group again. He tells them what happened in Karafuto. 

Of course, he’s lying to his teeth by not telling them he was the one who shot Wilk and Sugimoto.

But in the page where he says that Sugimoto was the one who killed Kiroranke because he teamed up with Tsurumi’s men, Noda changed the dialogue in the volume version. The line was translated by someone from one of the GK discord servers I’m part of.

This is the magazine version:

And this is the volume version.

He says that the one who killed Kiroranke were Tsurumi’s men and not Sugimoto.

Did Noda change the line because Ogata is intending for the Hijikata group to ally with Sugimoto’s group? It’s possible. 

Did he change it so that it looks like Ogata feels no grudge towards Sugimoto, and tries to not picture him as the bad person in the whole ordeal? Also possible.

Chapter 228: Sugimoto gets lost in the forest and finds a bird that keeps him company.

He asks the bird if it would’ve been better if they left their spot ever since they ran out of food. The bird chirps and he starts scolding/threatening the bird saying “YOU LOVED THAT FOOD TOO” while making Ogata-styled eyes.

This chapter was was stupidly random and pointless, but what I can point out here (which might sound far-fetched) is that maybe this was a foreshadow to what Sugimoto feels about Ogata betraying their group. 

But Sugimoto seems super nuts in this chapter so I can’t bet on that at all.

Chapter 236: Sugimoto is touched by Boutarou’s harem story and he now has his own flashback with his father.

His dad is dying of tuberculosis and apparently there’s this saying about black cats that cure tuberculosis.

So we have this black cat that comes out of nowhere to comfort Sugimoto for a few seconds and then leaves. 

Who was the character who was always being portrayed as a cat?

(Noda liked Muro Saisei’s cat so he said why not)

In a way it’s funny if Sugimoto actually views Ogata as a black cat that gives luck considering what good deeds Ogata did to him.

Chapter 246: Sugimoto’s group meets up with HIjikata’s and they start battling eachother. Sugimoto gets immobilized by Ushiyama. And Kadokura says Ogata is nearby.

Sugimoto is shocked for a bit and wants to be sure that Ogata really is there.

I-is my supposed arch nemesis here?? R-really??? 

He then takes out a picture of Ogata from his pocket so that he can explain to Vasily that Ogata is nearby.

To which all I can ask is: Sugimoto why do you keep a picture of Ogata in your pocket constantly?

The logical explanation is that he can ask townsfolk about Ogata’s whereabouts.  But…do we ever see Sugimoto asking anyone about Ogata’s whereabouts and thus using that picture? No.

Something similar happened with Tanigaki’s almost nude pictures too. He had at least 2 different pictures with Tanigaki in different sexy poses.

Moving on from this rather curious and shippy scene.

He then accuses Hijikata that it was his fault as to why he got separated from Asirpa, and thus Ogata being able to shoot him.

Really Sugimoto? Are you going to blame Hijikata that Ogata shot you?

do not defend you arch-nemesis like this

Chapter 247: Sugimoto’s group together with Hijikata’s are now united and as such they go and start drinking. But before that, Sugimoto needs to be sure that Ogata won’t come near them.

It’s curious that while reading these chapters, it looks like Sugimoto is constantly trying to protect Asirpa from Ogata, even though Ogata isn’t aiming for the gold, and was also unable to shoot Asirpa on the ice floe. Why is Sugimoto using Asirpa as an excuse to keep Ogata away from them so much?

And what I also noticed is that he uses Vasily to confront Ogata. Sure, Ogata is  way too far away for Sugimoto to reach, so using another sniper against him might solve that problem. But hasn’t he noticed that Ogata had enough time to shoot them since they were way out in the open just now? With Vasily struggling to equip himself with a rifle and climbing somewhere up to look out for Ogata?

Seems to me like Sugimoto is trying to avoid confronting Ogata because that would mean killing him, and since he doesn’t know what Ogata’s true motives are, he might hesitate in doing so.

Chapter 250: Sugimoto being really careful so as to not move around open areas for Ogata to snipe them.

Asirpa then tells him that Ogata is still interested in the gold. And thus has no reason to kill her.

This page is the pinnacle of what Sugimoto thinks of Ogata. 

He thinks of him as a lone wolf who wishes to screw up everyone’s chances in getting the gold, thus dissappointing everyone. 

Which is funny to me because that is literally what Ueji does in chapter 257. 

And with the whole “he is alone thing”, it’s interesting to note that Sugimoto is sort of in the same situation as Ogata. He was, in a way, a loner up until he met Asirpa. He has nowhere to go after the whole gold hunt. 

Yes, he’ll go back to Umeko but she has remarried already with someone who is rich and so her eye problem will probably be solved by him. Besides, Sugimoto doesn’t seem like the type to marry a woman who has been married to his best friend.

It’s more likely that if Sugimoto gets his share of the gold and finishes his job with getting Umeko to fix her eyes, he will go back to being a loner in the woods. 

And he can’t go back to his home village either, since the last time he went there, Umeko could’ve easily smelled the stench of slaughtered soldiers that was coming from Sugimoto’s direction. He feels like he doesn’t belong in that village. 

Ogata doesn’t seem to have a home for himself either. Other than his grandparents.(who we don’t know if they still live).

And now it is time for me to go to sleep for the next 30-40 chapters.

Hello again.

I’m back with some other Sugimoto and Ogata scenes to talk about. 

Here’s part I : http://daewonhoff.tumblr.com/post/182743868378/sugimoto-and-ogatas-rivalmance

And here’s the follow-up post - part III : https://sandflow.tumblr.com/post/632973149785423872/sugimoto-and-ogatas-rivalmance-part-iii

So in chapter 188, we get Asirpa accidentally shooting Ogata in the eye with a poisoned arrow and Sugimoto saving him by cutting his eye out and sucking out the venom out of his eyesocket.

This scene reminds me of this painting. It’s called “The Kiss” by Gustav Klimt.

The painting shows a man kissing a woman while she is being embraced so that she can be kissed. Klimt is known for portraying numerous paintings (along with this one) with a taint of erotisism.

And if you rotate the succing scene, it really does resemble the painting.

Now, moving on to the new material.

Chapter 190: Tanigaki, Tsukishima and Koito kill Kiroranke. Before he dies, Asirpa rushes off to him. 

In this panel, we see Asirpa rushing to Kiro. But in the background, we see Sugimoto carrying Ogata on his back. 

Sugimoto hates Ogata’s guts. You’d think that he would have left Ogata on the ice, or carry him but in a more brutal way. Because, after all, Ogata shot him in the head with the intent to kill, stole Asirpa from him, and also pointed his gun at her while Sugimoto was looking at them. Those are some valid points for Sugimoto to break his neck then and there. But here he is, giving Ogata a piggyback ride to safety. 

What did Sugimoto do the first time he saw someone threatening or aiming at Asirpa with the intent to kill? 

He threw a knife straight to Tanigaki’s faceinChapter 28.

And as you can see, Sugimoto didn’t have any sort of hesitation in throwing that knife at him the moment he sees Asirpa being threatened or used as a meatshield.

He could have probably done that to Ogata too. But Sugimoto seemed unarmed when he was behind him in chapter 187/188. He had no gun or bayonet equipped. Just a small pocket knife. His first action was to scream Ogata’s name, not rush at him and be all “DON’T YOU AIM AT HER” or something like that.

Also, if you notice in those two pages from chapter 28, Sugimoto is filled with rage even after he threw that knife at him. But when he rushes in to save Ogata’s life in chapter 188, he doesn’t seem like he is THAT filled with rage, and even states:

While his eyes sparkle.

Back to chapter 190, as you can see, Ogata has his hat and mittens on.

1. Who put the hat and mittens on him? 

Either Asirpa or Sugimoto, since Shiraishi is constantly carrying their backpacks there. 

2. Are those Ogata or Sugimoto’s mittens? I think they’re Sugimoto’s, because Ogata might have lost or forgotten about his mittens since he doesn’t wear them in general, like in chapter 182:

or Chapter 185:

Last time we see him wear mittens was back in Chapter 160:

This panel happens before his whole Yuusaku fever dream. Maybe he lost the mittens while he was fighting with Vasily. 

BUT, it looks like Sugimoto is constantly using his pair of mittens, like in Chapter 187:

Notice that Shiraishi also lost his mittens back when he was in danger of falling in the water.

Chapter 191: Shiraishi is wishing Kiroranke a peaceful death. Sugimoto is still carrying Ogata and it seems like Ogata’s hair is pretty fucked up. It looks like half of it is down.

And then Ogata gets dropped on his ass:

But then is again picked up by Sugimoto:

But his hair has been pulled back up. Huh. Who did that?

Chapter 192: Sugimoto’s group is heading back to a refugee camp and the wounded soldiers are being treated.

We see Ogata sweating:

(his lips don’t look dry anymore, so someone probably took care of that)

Tanigaki and Koito start talking about Ogata and why did he team up with Kiroranke:

This conversation is interesting because if Sugimoto truly wanted Ogata dead then he wouldn’t be interested in whatever reason Ogata had when he teamed up with Kiroranke. He’d side with Koito and say something along the lines of “I don’t care, he’s dead to me”. I mean the important thing is that Ogata betrayed him and tried to kill him. Or…is it?

But Sugimoto says that he won’t hesitate to kill him IF Ogata was in it for the gold. He wants to believe that but he knows there’s more to Ogata than that. He still hates the fact that he betrayed him but he would put that aside if Ogata had another reason for betraying him.

Chapter 196 : A Nikhv chick notices Ogata’s bad condition. Sugimoto suggests a doctor, but Koito is not ok with the idea of putting everyone in danger just to get a doctor for Ogata. But Sugimoto is not of the same opinon and tries to manipulate Koito into bringing in a doctor by suggesting that Tsukishima also needs a check-up.

SUGIMOTO YOU SLY DOG. 

Also notice that Asirpa is being quiet about the whole ordeal. Why is she so quiet? You’d think that she’d try to at least defend Ogata and support Sugimoto’s idea of a doctor for him, but nope.

Sugimoto tells him that russians won’t make a difference between the japanese people and Nikhv, so they’re going to be safe from being reported.

Thus they meet up with the doctor.

And Sugimoto says the “if he doesn’t come help us, a man’s gonna die” line, which sounds really…desperate in a way. 

And he becomes even MORE desperate by threatening the doctor with a gun.

So they bring up the doctor to their hideout. He checks up on Tsukishima, and then he peeks at Ogata for a second and says that he’s in a pretty critical condition. The doctor suggests that Ogata needs to be taken to the hospital. KOITO HAS NONE OF THAT SHIT.

As you can see, the moment Koito is saying that there’s no need for him to go the hospital, Sugimoto’s eyes are shaded to black. Usually, when a character has that sort of expression, it’s mostly interpreted as them being given news of which they feel conflicted about.

Things are escalating a bit with the doctor going all “YOU WANNA SAVE HIM OR NOT?!” Sugimoto accepts the condition even though Koito pretty much said that he’s not ok with the idea. 

All this time, Sugimoto’s expression was shaded but he finally told Koito his true intentions with Ogata. Thus, Koito has nothing left to say to him.

Notice how Koito is constantly sweating while he tries to reason with Sugimoto. He is trying to control Sugimoto’s actions but he can’t. He doesn’t feel like a leader anymore. He seems to be pretty much stepped on and his opinions disrespected by Sugimoto. It’s even more strange that Tsukishima isn’t asserting himself in this situation either. You’d think that he would say something to defend Koito but he sits there listening to how he’s trying to stop Sugimoto from doing something stupid. 

Notice Sugimoto who is extremely adamant in saving Ogata. He literally says “I want to ask him shit so he can’t die”. So basically, he isn’t doing this just to save Asirpa from becoming a killer. He also has a hidden agenda.

They ready up Ogata on the sled and they’re off to the hospital.

Koito brings up a good point to Sugimoto:

Which is true, who knows how Ogata will behave and say when he wakes up.

Then in the last page, Sugimoto says that Ogata isn’t the one he wants to save.

NOW. Let’s bring up one crucial parallel here. That last page of chapter 196 reminds of this scene from chapter 82.

Why is the word “They” bolded and also inclined? Is it supposed to resemble Ogata and Sugimoto being the only ones who are going to hell?

Chapter 197 : The doctor tells the Sugimoto gang that Ogata won’t live until the next day since his breathing and heart rate is pretty weak.

Asirpa shows that she cares.

But so does Sugimoto.

Is this the face of a man who wants to kill another man?

Sugimoto goes to where Ogata is being held at with the intent to mercy kill him. But he finds out that Ogata escaped.

Look at Sugimoto’s face. 

Before finding out that Ogata escaped, Sugimoto made pretty sad and dead-eye expressions. But after finding out that Ogata escaped thus safe and sound, his expression changes completely. His eyes widen and his eyes start to sparkle.His expression doesn’t give me a “oh fuck he escaped we are fucked” vibe but more of a “oh shit he’s alive I can’t believe it!” vibe.

Sugimoto alerts Asirpa about it.

And his eyes in the third panel look extremely full of life and sparkly too.

Anyway he leaves with Asirpa, Tanigaki and Shiraishi to go chase Ogata. 

Even though Ogata didn’t really escape and was actually hiding behind the door.

Thus he most likely heard Sugimoto shouting his name before running outside to catch him.

Chapter 200: After a brief Koito flashback, Ogata kicks Koito’s face and runs away from the hospital. Asirpa notices that Ogata is escaping and alerts Sugimoto.

Sugimoto tries to shoot his horse but ultimately fails. 

Before shooting, Ogata glances at Sugimoto thus triggering him to raise his arms. That gesture can be interpreted as Ogata feeling that he won/has been freed of a burden.

Or, it can be interpreted as a mocking gesture towards Sugimoto, since he knew that he doesn’t aim too well.

Sugimoto then gives the line of “get well and come back to me, so I can kill you.”

For whatever reason Sugimoto is wishing Ogata’s well being and also for him to come back to HIM just so that he can kill him.

Seems legit.

cryyborgs:

yoo@vinegar-doppio-official@coolthinghere i wrote up some thoughts on Sugimoto Being Attracted To Dudes! (putting this in a new post because the old thread was getting super long)

mostly it’s a lot of small moments and expressions/dialogue that made my queer ass go ‘lol nah a straight man Wouldn’t’ and taken all together it’d be very difficult to write off as coincidence. Noda is an excellect character writer & very good at including subtle expressions and character beats (and he’s also super horny?? lmao) so from a purely meta standpoint the big homoerotic vibes are clearly no accident– GK is a historical manga about hunting & military/crime shenanigans & Ainu culture; it would’ve been very easy to make everything super hetero and just leave it at that, but that’s not the story we got (& Noda also gave us a canon trans character who isn’t fetishised or the butt of a joke so i just…. i Trust this man okay).

[putting the rest under the cut]

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Really good points you wrote there. I also think that aphrodiacs don’t just make you feel turned on by the other sex. Like, definitely. And if we think about it like this, it can be said that Tanigaki is certainly the only straight guy there. He doesn’t compliment anyone like “oh look how hot x is”, and when Kiro asks his opinion of his biceps or w/e he doesn’t respond. Also, you forgot the scene where Sugimoto is flirting with the circus leader guy.