After her first theater showing in Hell, Vox and Valentino confront Alastor to see who this new arrival is in hell and why she’s suddenly so special to him. He doesn’t take too kindly to their arrival.
Okay so I slept on it last night and maybe—just mAyBe—I’d be okay with black trimmed sleeves instead of red, the change of the design on his shirt underneath, perhaps a shorter collar, or maybe slightly bigger antlers, but those are all the changes I can think of rn that I’d be able to cope with.
I guess I can see Viv changing his pants to black now that Charlie is the one with the full red on red pant suit—a solid red pantsuit…I feel like trading their pant colors is the only thing that’s going to keep viewers from going blind without making any other major changes to Alastor at this point.
But tbh other than Alastor’s obv perfection, I’ve always wished his staff was a little bit longer idk it always just seemed pretty short for his height? If his eyes ever changed like Charlie’s I’ll flip a mother fucking table Ik ppl are sick of red on red and heard complaints about them but I just love those crazed insanely haunting tones that also can hold this soft glow to them in his gaze just gAH LOVE IT
But on another thought, what if he was given a full sized rack?? NOT THAT RACK YOU PERVS!! But not a cartoonish one like those itty bitty twig branches we see growing in the art or comics or whatev but what about realistic antlers you’d see on a six pointer?
Like this……
Art credit: @yourseaola Twitter
(Ngl that is pretty attractive….)
Idk why everyone keeps saying they wanna know what he looks like with a mustache but I’d rather drink toilet cleaner so y’all just pls don’t jinx it and make an edit until then
What do you all think Alastor’s new look will be???
People still believing Vaggie died in 2014. Viv confirmed Vaggie lies about when she died, guys. Charlie and Vaggie have apparently been together since Charlies high-school years which were 100+ years ago..
WHEN THE FRICK FRACKITY FRACK DID THIS FRICKING HAPPEN?!?
Tweets from Viv and the first is referring to Charlie’s last name changing to Morningstar
Because nothing says classic like copying another name from the same character of another hit show
Dude, Morningstar has ALWAYS been a part of Lucifer’s name. Wayyyyyy before the tv show even existed. She’s not copying from Lucifer; she’s simply using the actual Biblical name.
Lucifer literally means “morning star,” ffs x3
Even if Lucifer was always Latin for morning star, that title already has a huge rep for the Lucifer series as is. Either way, it’s worn out by now, and is a really unoriginal surname in these circumstances. It’s one thing to recycle an overused name for the main character your own take of said popular trope (in this case, religious fiction), and it’s another matter entirely to go out of your way to change long standing character’s current name to it.
It’s an extremely cliche move, puts the Hazbin franchise one step closer to mainstream, and their old surname Magne was much more classy, yet simple, translating to ‘all mighty/warrior’ in ancient Norse, and ‘great’ in French. I don’t have a problem if people like how Charlie Morningstar sounds, but there’s nothing at all classic about it anymore, just disappointing to see.
Extremely cliche? Funny you say that when on your blog, your pinned post says that nothing is too cliche, and things are cliche because “people can’t get enough of that shit.”
Headline before that quote also states: “Have an idea for your story?”That post is only referring to storytelling like scenarios, prompts, writing, and genre tropes alone, example: religious fiction. It’s a much different topic altogether when it comes to individual characters that have personal traits and qualities that are much overused like something extremely upfront, for another example, a last name. Just because everyone enjoys a good kind of story, doesn’t mean we always want see the same plain Jane living it. Cliche isn’t a good thing for an OC.
Okay, so LOTS of controversial talk here so I’ll break it down:
She’s still adorable, but somehow went from Disney Princess to Hilary Clinton wannabe
Major concerns of her color scheme washing out the rest of the main cast now that she’s resembling a certain someone.
Surname change is a warning for threats of mainstream influence?
Is A24 behind this???
So I’m still loving the hair, this hairstyle has actually already made an appearance in the pilot once on Charlie, with the exception of two, instead of three, hair bands now being used—and we also get to enjoy that ‘Princess Jasmine’ feel
Eye Color
Good news: She appears to stand more apart from her parents now.
Bad news: She blends in more with the rest of the demons in hell, and her more humane character is no longer emphasized.
As you can see, her new lenses are designed to be introverted to those of her full demonic form. While it makes perfect sense, unfortunately, angry Charlie will not have its full potential of visual effect with such a small contrast between the two ‘differential’ appearances now ♀️
Outfit
Now, someone brought up a very interesting point how this choice of fashion could have brought a character arc if Charlie’s style had slowly evolved through out the progressing show of how Alastor was beginning to rub off on her. I’m not going to lie, I would have like to see that, but it’s been announced this is her new design.
If, I’m being honest here, though, I really do enjoy Vivzie’s unique and colorful backdrops and style for Hazbin Hotel, but all of her character’s very similar aesthetics have always bugged me a little, with Alastor’s bold choice of attire always standing out as an exception………though that does not seem to be the case anymore, which is pretty disappointing. If Alastor did not exist (Hell forbid), fine whatever, I probably wouldn’t mind her new look so much.
But. He. D O E S.
(She’s draining the death out of the poor lad, my poor baby T-T)
Here, we now can tell Charlie has gained a piercing, red glowing gaze, a long collar that reaches her chin, old fashioned shoulder pads, and a bright, matching, blood red suit….not at all familiar (that untucked shirt tho….for the love of Satan pls tuck it in I-I can’t—). Not only is her new look going to take away her own originality, but sadly, Alastor’s as well. Just walking into the same room as him is going to give the viewers epilepsy.
In her first official design, Charlie’s coral-colored blazer captured her bubbly persona well and highlighted her blushing cheeks on her cheery expressions, while her black slacks kept her color scheme at bay and provided her outfit with the necessary accent for an adorably butch touch. While her before and after are both business savvy, she now appears much more professional and mature in her relaxed, yet composed, position than she really is.
As for CharlieMorningstar….. ᴿᴱᴬᴸᴸᵞ?
Like if Vivzie didn’t like her old surname, fine, whatever, but…..wow, okay. Lucifer Magne, and Charlie Magne, were both simple, yet classy, titles. Magne translates to Norse meaning all mightyorwarrior.Morningstar is the Latin translation for Lucifer. So, yes, in a nutshell, Lucifer’s full name is going to mean ‘Morningstar Morningstar.’ Charlie Morningstar, will now be tied closer to her father’s reputation, both literally and figuratively.
Вυт wнy Мornιngѕтar?
This is the exact same name belonging to Lucifer Morningstar in the hit series Lucifer on Netflix. We see multiple appearances of ‘Lucifer’ in modern religious fiction such as Supernatural,Good Omens, etc etc. but this obviously isn’t a regular fannon thing; this name exclusively belongs to the original Netflix main character of that franchise. So why trade in a perfectly good surname and copy it??
This reason still remains unclear, as this new artwork of Charlie Morningstar was just announced on Twitter mere hours ago. Fans are already speculating that the choice suspiciously sounds like A24, despite Vivzie being quite excited about these new changes for the Princess of Hell.
One theory suggests more popularity for the show by conforming to the bigger public by appealing to the mainstream masses of audience, another claims that forcing Vivzie to change Charlie’s name and design will classify her as a ‘new’ character in copyright complications, this way she will no longer have rights to her if A24 owns the main protagonist of Hazbin Hotel. This would give them more control and rights to the franchise in a way, which would be pretty terrible.
Thankfully, this seems incorrect.
I really do hope that’s the last ‘major’ change though, because the fandom has already taken a huge blow last October when Gabe was outright fired from Alastor’s singing role, and Elsie was replaced for Charlie’s singing as well for more reasons due to claims of ‘contracting’ purposes, which again, were unknown, until I was able to dig up less popular information many are not aware of thanks to @hellozanybouqetshark , tysm for bringing this to my attention!
Edit:
This user claimed A24 was reputable for being very creator friendly, and indeed, that is fortunately correct.
It turns out the real reason the half the main cast was cut— including Michael Kovich (Angel Dust), Gabriel C. Brown (Alastor’s singing VA), Elsie Lovelock (Charlie’s singing VA), Krystal LaPorte (Cherri Bomb), Michelle Marie (Niffty), and Josh Tomar (Tom Trench) —was because Vivziepop actually made another contract with Bento Box Animation around the same time everyone got the slip. BBA is a production company that was bought out by Fox Entertainment in the summer of 2019.
Well, there you have it, she signed through a union agency through Bento Box Animation that may have been mandatory under their terms for contracting. Signing with an agency like the SAG strictly requires companies not to affiliate with non members like indie artists.
Conclusion:
It seems all of Charlie’s changes were strictly Vivzie’s own choice, including her new name Charlie Morningstar, which is sure to capture the attention of future fans from other similar fandoms that include biblical lore, primarily Lucifer,justin time for the upcoming second debut of the Hazbin Hotel series (date unknown).
Vivzie had personally already gotten terrible harassment and threats in emails and DMs, etc. from calls that weren’t her own a couple months ago, so on top of seeing her own cast butchered, she got to be the one to take the heat from thousands of angry rampaging fans just overnight. So, please, even if you hate some changes with a burning passion, or don’t really care, or maybe like it, don’t attack Vivziepop, last year was a nightmare for her :(
As I’ve rewatched Helluva Boss so many times now that I can’t even count it on both my hands anymore, I feel like it’s time for some self-indulging self-insert. Behold, my imp OC! I love them.
