Blitzo is trying to do his job? Sexual Harassment even AFTER Blitzo is clearly shown to be uncomfortable with Stolas’s antics.
Blitzo is trying to KEEP his job? Sexual Harassment AND Manipulation at the same exact time.
His underage daughteris there while he is on the phone with Blitzo in episode 2? MORE Sexual Harassment towards Blitzo while his 17 year old daughter is right in front of him.
I dont care if people try to call me “anti-stolitz” for pointing out how tone deaf the canon is. As a Stolitz shipper who has been here since the Pilot all I can say is this: This is AWFUL. What Stolas is doing to Blitzo is AWFUL. This is NOT romantic. This is NOT ok. STOP!
Stop using Stolitz (a shipping from fanon!) to defend the canon’s toxic implications with Stolas. Im not just going to “wait” until the relationship is anywhere CLOSE to healthy if the show chooses to continue this way. Them randomly changing him will never justify the fact that they tried to play said sexual harassment as “cute” and “funny” no matter how many times they try to make the audience sympathize with him. Especially since Stolas has many chances to treat Blitzo better…. but just chooses not to!
And here’s the thing too, him being in a monarchy is actually notan excuse either. If the show wants to show that “not all of the monarchy is bad” they should show it instead of making Stolas as insufferably creepy as humanly possible and it being a “flawed” relationship is not an excuse either. “Flawed” should not always have to mean genuinely harmful and or toxic.
Relationships can be “flawed” without them going to this level.
You dont HAVE to support Stolas’s actions to like Stolitz.
Ship him with Blitzo all you want! But that will NEVER change the canon’s implications. Canon Stolas is NOT a good father for doing these things in front of Octavia and her mother. Canon Stolas is NOT a good boyfriend or a “cute horny owl” for how he treats Blitzo.
Stop fetishizing or mocking men being sexually harassed and r*ped!
It was never funny and the fact that our community goes out of it’s way thismuch to excuse Stolas’s behavior towards Blitzo is actually genuinely concerning.
STOP.
damn, strong words for someone WHO LEGALLY CANT WATCH THIS SHIT??? LITERALLY 18+ ONLY??? WE LOVE DISRESPECTING CONTENT WARNINGS.
Not to mention that not every relationship has to be buttercups and rainbows. Something fun about growing and maturing is that you can recognize that fictional things =/= good things to replicate irl. Theres a noticeable disgust from Blitzo in this relationship, and people older than 17 (seriously fuck off the channel, this shit age restricted dumbass) can recognize that “hey, person B is uncomfey with person A’s advances. irl, this is not okay.”
we love how children look at adult content warnings and go “that sign cant stop me cause i cant read” and then get disgusted by the adult themes in the fuckin content.
I am literally a few weeks from 18, ive literally BEEN through the shit Blitzo has irl (assault) and was tortured with it till my family finally separated from them and never put with me them again.
Also OF COURSE not every relationship is sunshine and rainbows!
Who the hell thinks that just because they dont like seeing men getting sexually harassed viewed as a joke. Thats not how life works! Having chemistry or actual bonding (even in enemies to lovers!) doesnt make it just “sunshine and rainbows”.
Also I was literally sexually assaulted as a child!
I know what it’s like to be disgusted and hurt by someone else’s advances, being just ONE age from 18 doesnt automatically make us 12! Sit the hell down. I literally watched corpse party, read junji ito, and watched MULTIPLE adult shows in my life time, I can give two shits if something has “adult themes”, its not it being “adult” that’s the issue its that its excutued IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAYS!
Its either “its just a goofy sitcom” or “its a serious show and not for little babies!” Pick one! You cant just make both excuses and expect any other fandom to take you seriously, and if anything, you’re the one being immature because you actually think that relationships are somehow just “sweet cinnamon rolls or creepy r/pe fantasies!” when again… that’s not how life works! There’s a balance, even in relationships that dont have much love yet most shows (for adults!) show SOME chemistry or something to relate to, meanwhile with Blitzo and Stolas they never have any chemistry and are shown to just manipulate and harass eachother, no chemstry, not even a SINGLE actual conversation and yet the series expects people to just accept it as a “romance that’s meant to be!” when… its not?
Alsoflawed =/= toxic, there are many pieces of media that have done this premise far better without any sexual harassment or anything legitatemly harmful whatsoever. There’s no excuse!
There are so many ways to show a flawed relationship thats NOT outright sexual harassment or horrific.
Especially if Vivziepop is advertising this as a “romance” but shows absolutely no chemistry or ANY signs of Blitzo liking Stolas whatsoever, theyre romanticizing something that’s obviously sexual harassment, how in any circumstances is that ok???? Especially is most of the people who have acknowledged this issue with the show are GROWN ASS MEN!
So the age card doesnt cut it! Most of the people who have acknowledged the problem with Canonical Stolitz areADULTS!
You’re just afraid that there are actually people who have a problem with the show’s toxic pairing so you try to use the “ur under 18!” card to invalidate everything that people say that’s wrong with it, or your side of the fandom just call them “anti stolitz!” and whine on Tumblr like toodlers! And then you wonder why I havent reblogged any Stolitz art despite shipping it myself. You people are insufferable!
NOT everything is sunshine and rainbows, but not everything is a wattpad abuse fantasy either, there’s a BALANCE and the fact that the Stolitz fandom refuses to accept this is honestly pathetic.
Holy fucking shit just STOP! Im sick of it, just leave people alone!
Go touch some grass! People like you are why Stolitz is such a hard ship to enjoy, same with Charlastor. You’re side of the fandom is genuinely awful to be around, you’re allowed to ship it while acknowledging the problems with the canon, everyone and thier mother knows this, stop ruining the ship for everyone!
Another thing—
I still have yet to watch this show but I agree this sounds awful and the fact that people are 100% okay with supporting not a ship itself of the pairing, but for starters, the abusive relationship within included is raising society to believe that this is what love is supposed to be. Like when I’ve seen ‘that’ side of a fandom get pissed at creators for breaking up Harley Quinn and the joker when it was known he’d beat and torture her off screen far more than he abused her on screen. But it doesn’t matter. People don’t care how twisted the status of their otp is portrayed as long as the couple looks cute together.
I honestly already had a problem with Chaggie from Hazbin ngl and NO IT’S NOT HOMOPHOBIA. Throughout the entire episode Vaggie is obviously cares about Charlie, but she’s terrible at showing it and doesn’t treat her that well. Vaggie let’s her own emotions get away from her and is nothing but busy yelling at Angel Dust the entire pilot to even notice how torn Charlie is from the humiliating broadcast while she is huddled in the limo with her hair pulled in front of her face.
Like, she seriously needed some cheering up or reassurance after being publicly mocked in front of her entire kingdom. Vaggie hardly even bat an eye at her on the ride back to the hotel, too busy having a useless argument with Angel. They arrive back to the hotel and even ANGEL DUST, the closed off hooker that could’ve cared less about the whole thing, felt bad for a moment when he saw how hurt Charlie was and almost reached out to her, but clearly felt awkward about it and walked away.
Her own girlfriend was still pouting on the couch when Charlie left for outside and didn’t bother to ask if she’s okay or where she’s going. I mean, even if no one has any ill will, they clearly know nothing about each other if one of them can’t even tell anything is wrong after the other comes in from crying outside because her own mom won’t even pick up the phone to check up on her.
I’m not saying Chaggie is toxic, but it’s clearly problematic as a relationship, romantic or platonic, if they don’t do anything when the other is obviously upset, seeing that Charlie didn’t seem to bother trying to calm Vaggie down whenever she tries to scream at someone or get herself killed by challenging the radio demon head on with a spear (Charlie just stood behind her and watched).
They say they support each other in the beginning, but outside of that their relationship is literally nonexistent which is probably why most people didn’t even know they were a couple until they went on google.
Vivziepop insists Chaggie is a healthy and supportive couple with relationship goals, but if that’s what she thinks, Blitzo’s and Stolas’ ties don’t even surprise me.
I mean, I know it’s Hell and everything is supposed to be shitty including the demons, and like said user said, irl AND Tv aren’t just sunshine and rainbows (obv—I’m acknowledging this), but, tbh I’m only expecting more toxic or just plain weak ships to come if Vivziepop thinks there’s nothing wrong with the way Chaggie is and I haven’t seen many indications out there for upcoming character development or growth. If you’ve seen any, please let me know.
I am NOT hating on Charlie or Vaggie—I love them as characters. But as a couple, they’re both too busy being reckless to know the other is there, and the way Vaggie tries to guide Charlie around…..it’s too ironic, I’m sorry. The girl is always blowing a fuse or picking fights to defend the little babe, but it makes no sense to simultaneously have her put restraints on Charlie, like making sure she doesn’t sing or trying to get her to turn Alastor away.
I’m just really curious about this, how do you have an effective protector when they’re alway getting themselves into stupid pointless shit because they’re too busy constantly confusing upfront attacking with being defensive??
Like the two both have so much uncontained energy they just both clash obnoxiously. If Vaggie and Charlie both individually changed for the better or if one of them at least grew up a little, the ship would realistically have a chance at evolving into something beautiful and meaningful. I know it’s only been one episode, but that will take a hella amount of dynamic character development, one that they definitely can’t accomplish with only each other as is.
So let’s hope the new Hazbin crew can help!
Idk where I was going, but ig I just wanted to end with people don’t know what’s supposed to be functional anymore, and that’s precisely why they’re part of *THAT* side of the fandom.
I hope I was not too insensitive or offended anyone.
≫ I originally made this edit to feature in my charlastor fanfiction: Soul Switched: Ch. 10 but I began the story long before Charlie’s official name & design change so this is what I worked with (*^_^*)
≫ I’ve stared at this edit for over four hours so I can’t remember how sore it is on the eyes therefore my apologies in advance (ｰ ｰ;)
I’ve noticed a lot of y’all along with other members of the Hazbin fandom are on AO3 much more than Wattpad, so I’ve also made my Soul Switched fanfic available on Archive Of Our Own if you’d like to read ☺️
Tweets from Viv and the first is referring to Charlie’s last name changing to Morningstar
Because nothing says classic like copying another name from the same character of another hit show
Dude, Morningstar has ALWAYS been a part of Lucifer’s name. Wayyyyyy before the tv show even existed. She’s not copying from Lucifer; she’s simply using the actual Biblical name.
Lucifer literally means “morning star,” ffs x3
Even if Lucifer was always Latin for morning star, that title already has a huge rep for the Lucifer series as is. Either way, it’s worn out by now, and is a really unoriginal surname in these circumstances. It’s one thing to recycle an overused name for the main character your own take of said popular trope (in this case, religious fiction), and it’s another matter entirely to go out of your way to change long standing character’s current name to it.
It’s an extremely cliche move, puts the Hazbin franchise one step closer to mainstream, and their old surname Magne was much more classy, yet simple, translating to ‘all mighty/warrior’ in ancient Norse, and ‘great’ in French. I don’t have a problem if people like how Charlie Morningstar sounds, but there’s nothing at all classic about it anymore, just disappointing to see.
Extremely cliche? Funny you say that when on your blog, your pinned post says that nothing is too cliche, and things are cliche because “people can’t get enough of that shit.”
Headline before that quote also states: “Have an idea for your story?”That post is only referring to storytelling like scenarios, prompts, writing, and genre tropes alone, example: religious fiction. It’s a much different topic altogether when it comes to individual characters that have personal traits and qualities that are much overused like something extremely upfront, for another example, a last name. Just because everyone enjoys a good kind of story, doesn’t mean we always want see the same plain Jane living it. Cliche isn’t a good thing for an OC.
Tweets from Viv and the first is referring to Charlie’s last name changing to Morningstar
Because nothing says classic like copying another name from the same character of another hit show
Dude, Morningstar has ALWAYS been a part of Lucifer’s name. Wayyyyyy before the tv show even existed. She’s not copying from Lucifer; she’s simply using the actual Biblical name.
Lucifer literally means “morning star,” ffs x3
Even if Lucifer was always Latin for morning star, that title already has a huge rep for the Lucifer series as is. Either way, it’s worn out by now, and is a really unoriginal surname in these circumstances. It’s one thing to recycle an overused name for the main character your own take of said popular trope (in this case, religious fiction), and it’s another matter entirely to go out of your way to change long standing character’s current name to it.
It’s an extremely cliche move, puts the Hazbin franchise one step closer to mainstream, and their old surname Magne was much more classy, yet simple, translating to ‘all mighty/warrior’ in ancient Norse, and ‘great’ in French. I don’t have a problem if people like how Charlie Morningstar sounds, but there’s nothing at all classic about it anymore, just disappointing to see.
Okay, so LOTS of controversial talk here so I’ll break it down:
She’s still adorable, but somehow went from Disney Princess to Hilary Clinton wannabe
Major concerns of her color scheme washing out the rest of the main cast now that she’s resembling a certain someone.
Surname change is a warning for threats of mainstream influence?
Is A24 behind this???
So I’m still loving the hair, this hairstyle has actually already made an appearance in the pilot once on Charlie, with the exception of two, instead of three, hair bands now being used—and we also get to enjoy that ‘Princess Jasmine’ feel
Eye Color
Good news: She appears to stand more apart from her parents now.
Bad news: She blends in more with the rest of the demons in hell, and her more humane character is no longer emphasized.
As you can see, her new lenses are designed to be introverted to those of her full demonic form. While it makes perfect sense, unfortunately, angry Charlie will not have its full potential of visual effect with such a small contrast between the two ‘differential’ appearances now ♀️
Outfit
Now, someone brought up a very interesting point how this choice of fashion could have brought a character arc if Charlie’s style had slowly evolved through out the progressing show of how Alastor was beginning to rub off on her. I’m not going to lie, I would have like to see that, but it’s been announced this is her new design.
If, I’m being honest here, though, I really do enjoy Vivzie’s unique and colorful backdrops and style for Hazbin Hotel, but all of her character’s very similar aesthetics have always bugged me a little, with Alastor’s bold choice of attire always standing out as an exception………though that does not seem to be the case anymore, which is pretty disappointing. If Alastor did not exist (Hell forbid), fine whatever, I probably wouldn’t mind her new look so much.
But. He. D O E S.
(She’s draining the death out of the poor lad, my poor baby T-T)
Here, we now can tell Charlie has gained a piercing, red glowing gaze, a long collar that reaches her chin, old fashioned shoulder pads, and a bright, matching, blood red suit….not at all familiar (that untucked shirt tho….for the love of Satan pls tuck it in I-I can’t—). Not only is her new look going to take away her own originality, but sadly, Alastor’s as well. Just walking into the same room as him is going to give the viewers epilepsy.
In her first official design, Charlie’s coral-colored blazer captured her bubbly persona well and highlighted her blushing cheeks on her cheery expressions, while her black slacks kept her color scheme at bay and provided her outfit with the necessary accent for an adorably butch touch. While her before and after are both business savvy, she now appears much more professional and mature in her relaxed, yet composed, position than she really is.
As for CharlieMorningstar….. ᴿᴱᴬᴸᴸᵞ?
Like if Vivzie didn’t like her old surname, fine, whatever, but…..wow, okay. Lucifer Magne, and Charlie Magne, were both simple, yet classy, titles. Magne translates to Norse meaning all mightyorwarrior.Morningstar is the Latin translation for Lucifer. So, yes, in a nutshell, Lucifer’s full name is going to mean ‘Morningstar Morningstar.’ Charlie Morningstar, will now be tied closer to her father’s reputation, both literally and figuratively.
Вυт wнy Мornιngѕтar?
This is the exact same name belonging to Lucifer Morningstar in the hit series Lucifer on Netflix. We see multiple appearances of ‘Lucifer’ in modern religious fiction such as Supernatural,Good Omens, etc etc. but this obviously isn’t a regular fannon thing; this name exclusively belongs to the original Netflix main character of that franchise. So why trade in a perfectly good surname and copy it??
This reason still remains unclear, as this new artwork of Charlie Morningstar was just announced on Twitter mere hours ago. Fans are already speculating that the choice suspiciously sounds like A24, despite Vivzie being quite excited about these new changes for the Princess of Hell.
One theory suggests more popularity for the show by conforming to the bigger public by appealing to the mainstream masses of audience, another claims that forcing Vivzie to change Charlie’s name and design will classify her as a ‘new’ character in copyright complications, this way she will no longer have rights to her if A24 owns the main protagonist of Hazbin Hotel. This would give them more control and rights to the franchise in a way, which would be pretty terrible.
Thankfully, this seems incorrect.
I really do hope that’s the last ‘major’ change though, because the fandom has already taken a huge blow last October when Gabe was outright fired from Alastor’s singing role, and Elsie was replaced for Charlie’s singing as well for more reasons due to claims of ‘contracting’ purposes, which again, were unknown, until I was able to dig up less popular information many are not aware of thanks to @hellozanybouqetshark , tysm for bringing this to my attention!
Edit:
This user claimed A24 was reputable for being very creator friendly, and indeed, that is fortunately correct.
It turns out the real reason the half the main cast was cut— including Michael Kovich (Angel Dust), Gabriel C. Brown (Alastor’s singing VA), Elsie Lovelock (Charlie’s singing VA), Krystal LaPorte (Cherri Bomb), Michelle Marie (Niffty), and Josh Tomar (Tom Trench) —was because Vivziepop actually made another contract with Bento Box Animation around the same time everyone got the slip. BBA is a production company that was bought out by Fox Entertainment in the summer of 2019.
Well, there you have it, she signed through a union agency through Bento Box Animation that may have been mandatory under their terms for contracting. Signing with an agency like the SAG strictly requires companies not to affiliate with non members like indie artists.
Conclusion:
It seems all of Charlie’s changes were strictly Vivzie’s own choice, including her new name Charlie Morningstar, which is sure to capture the attention of future fans from other similar fandoms that include biblical lore, primarily Lucifer,justin time for the upcoming second debut of the Hazbin Hotel series (date unknown).
Vivzie had personally already gotten terrible harassment and threats in emails and DMs, etc. from calls that weren’t her own a couple months ago, so on top of seeing her own cast butchered, she got to be the one to take the heat from thousands of angry rampaging fans just overnight. So, please, even if you hate some changes with a burning passion, or don’t really care, or maybe like it, don’t attack Vivziepop, last year was a nightmare for her :(
