Blitzo is trying to do his job? Sexual Harassment even AFTER Blitzo is clearly shown to be uncomfortable with Stolas’s antics.
Blitzo is trying to KEEP his job? Sexual Harassment AND Manipulation at the same exact time.
His underage daughteris there while he is on the phone with Blitzo in episode 2? MORE Sexual Harassment towards Blitzo while his 17 year old daughter is right in front of him.
I dont care if people try to call me “anti-stolitz” for pointing out how tone deaf the canon is. As a Stolitz shipper who has been here since the Pilot all I can say is this: This is AWFUL. What Stolas is doing to Blitzo is AWFUL. This is NOT romantic. This is NOT ok. STOP!
Stop using Stolitz (a shipping from fanon!) to defend the canon’s toxic implications with Stolas. Im not just going to “wait” until the relationship is anywhere CLOSE to healthy if the show chooses to continue this way. Them randomly changing him will never justify the fact that they tried to play said sexual harassment as “cute” and “funny” no matter how many times they try to make the audience sympathize with him. Especially since Stolas has many chances to treat Blitzo better…. but just chooses not to!
And here’s the thing too, him being in a monarchy is actually notan excuse either. If the show wants to show that “not all of the monarchy is bad” they should show it instead of making Stolas as insufferably creepy as humanly possible and it being a “flawed” relationship is not an excuse either. “Flawed” should not always have to mean genuinely harmful and or toxic.
Relationships can be “flawed” without them going to this level.
You dont HAVE to support Stolas’s actions to like Stolitz.
Ship him with Blitzo all you want! But that will NEVER change the canon’s implications. Canon Stolas is NOT a good father for doing these things in front of Octavia and her mother. Canon Stolas is NOT a good boyfriend or a “cute horny owl” for how he treats Blitzo.
Stop fetishizing or mocking men being sexually harassed and r*ped!
It was never funny and the fact that our community goes out of it’s way thismuch to excuse Stolas’s behavior towards Blitzo is actually genuinely concerning.
STOP.
damn, strong words for someone WHO LEGALLY CANT WATCH THIS SHIT??? LITERALLY 18+ ONLY??? WE LOVE DISRESPECTING CONTENT WARNINGS.
Not to mention that not every relationship has to be buttercups and rainbows. Something fun about growing and maturing is that you can recognize that fictional things =/= good things to replicate irl. Theres a noticeable disgust from Blitzo in this relationship, and people older than 17 (seriously fuck off the channel, this shit age restricted dumbass) can recognize that “hey, person B is uncomfey with person A’s advances. irl, this is not okay.”
we love how children look at adult content warnings and go “that sign cant stop me cause i cant read” and then get disgusted by the adult themes in the fuckin content.
I am literally a few weeks from 18, ive literally BEEN through the shit Blitzo has irl (assault) and was tortured with it till my family finally separated from them and never put with me them again.
Also OF COURSE not every relationship is sunshine and rainbows!
Who the hell thinks that just because they dont like seeing men getting sexually harassed viewed as a joke. Thats not how life works! Having chemistry or actual bonding (even in enemies to lovers!) doesnt make it just “sunshine and rainbows”.
Also I was literally sexually assaulted as a child!
I know what it’s like to be disgusted and hurt by someone else’s advances, being just ONE age from 18 doesnt automatically make us 12! Sit the hell down. I literally watched corpse party, read junji ito, and watched MULTIPLE adult shows in my life time, I can give two shits if something has “adult themes”, its not it being “adult” that’s the issue its that its excutued IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAYS!
Its either “its just a goofy sitcom” or “its a serious show and not for little babies!” Pick one! You cant just make both excuses and expect any other fandom to take you seriously, and if anything, you’re the one being immature because you actually think that relationships are somehow just “sweet cinnamon rolls or creepy r/pe fantasies!” when again… that’s not how life works! There’s a balance, even in relationships that dont have much love yet most shows (for adults!) show SOME chemistry or something to relate to, meanwhile with Blitzo and Stolas they never have any chemistry and are shown to just manipulate and harass eachother, no chemstry, not even a SINGLE actual conversation and yet the series expects people to just accept it as a “romance that’s meant to be!” when… its not?
Alsoflawed =/= toxic, there are many pieces of media that have done this premise far better without any sexual harassment or anything legitatemly harmful whatsoever. There’s no excuse!
There are so many ways to show a flawed relationship thats NOT outright sexual harassment or horrific.
Especially if Vivziepop is advertising this as a “romance” but shows absolutely no chemistry or ANY signs of Blitzo liking Stolas whatsoever, theyre romanticizing something that’s obviously sexual harassment, how in any circumstances is that ok???? Especially is most of the people who have acknowledged this issue with the show are GROWN ASS MEN!
So the age card doesnt cut it! Most of the people who have acknowledged the problem with Canonical Stolitz areADULTS!
You’re just afraid that there are actually people who have a problem with the show’s toxic pairing so you try to use the “ur under 18!” card to invalidate everything that people say that’s wrong with it, or your side of the fandom just call them “anti stolitz!” and whine on Tumblr like toodlers! And then you wonder why I havent reblogged any Stolitz art despite shipping it myself. You people are insufferable!
NOT everything is sunshine and rainbows, but not everything is a wattpad abuse fantasy either, there’s a BALANCE and the fact that the Stolitz fandom refuses to accept this is honestly pathetic.
Holy fucking shit just STOP! Im sick of it, just leave people alone!
Go touch some grass! People like you are why Stolitz is such a hard ship to enjoy, same with Charlastor. You’re side of the fandom is genuinely awful to be around, you’re allowed to ship it while acknowledging the problems with the canon, everyone and thier mother knows this, stop ruining the ship for everyone!
Another thing—
I still have yet to watch this show but I agree this sounds awful and the fact that people are 100% okay with supporting not a ship itself of the pairing, but for starters, the abusive relationship within included is raising society to believe that this is what love is supposed to be. Like when I’ve seen ‘that’ side of a fandom get pissed at creators for breaking up Harley Quinn and the joker when it was known he’d beat and torture her off screen far more than he abused her on screen. But it doesn’t matter. People don’t care how twisted the status of their otp is portrayed as long as the couple looks cute together.
I honestly already had a problem with Chaggie from Hazbin ngl and NO IT’S NOT HOMOPHOBIA. Throughout the entire episode Vaggie is obviously cares about Charlie, but she’s terrible at showing it and doesn’t treat her that well. Vaggie let’s her own emotions get away from her and is nothing but busy yelling at Angel Dust the entire pilot to even notice how torn Charlie is from the humiliating broadcast while she is huddled in the limo with her hair pulled in front of her face.
Like, she seriously needed some cheering up or reassurance after being publicly mocked in front of her entire kingdom. Vaggie hardly even bat an eye at her on the ride back to the hotel, too busy having a useless argument with Angel. They arrive back to the hotel and even ANGEL DUST, the closed off hooker that could’ve cared less about the whole thing, felt bad for a moment when he saw how hurt Charlie was and almost reached out to her, but clearly felt awkward about it and walked away.
Her own girlfriend was still pouting on the couch when Charlie left for outside and didn’t bother to ask if she’s okay or where she’s going. I mean, even if no one has any ill will, they clearly know nothing about each other if one of them can’t even tell anything is wrong after the other comes in from crying outside because her own mom won’t even pick up the phone to check up on her.
I’m not saying Chaggie is toxic, but it’s clearly problematic as a relationship, romantic or platonic, if they don’t do anything when the other is obviously upset, seeing that Charlie didn’t seem to bother trying to calm Vaggie down whenever she tries to scream at someone or get herself killed by challenging the radio demon head on with a spear (Charlie just stood behind her and watched).
They say they support each other in the beginning, but outside of that their relationship is literally nonexistent which is probably why most people didn’t even know they were a couple until they went on google.
Vivziepop insists Chaggie is a healthy and supportive couple with relationship goals, but if that’s what she thinks, Blitzo’s and Stolas’ ties don’t even surprise me.
I mean, I know it’s Hell and everything is supposed to be shitty including the demons, and like said user said, irl AND Tv aren’t just sunshine and rainbows (obv—I’m acknowledging this), but, tbh I’m only expecting more toxic or just plain weak ships to come if Vivziepop thinks there’s nothing wrong with the way Chaggie is and I haven’t seen many indications out there for upcoming character development or growth. If you’ve seen any, please let me know.
I am NOT hating on Charlie or Vaggie—I love them as characters. But as a couple, they’re both too busy being reckless to know the other is there, and the way Vaggie tries to guide Charlie around…..it’s too ironic, I’m sorry. The girl is always blowing a fuse or picking fights to defend the little babe, but it makes no sense to simultaneously have her put restraints on Charlie, like making sure she doesn’t sing or trying to get her to turn Alastor away.
I’m just really curious about this, how do you have an effective protector when they’re alway getting themselves into stupid pointless shit because they’re too busy constantly confusing upfront attacking with being defensive??
Like the two both have so much uncontained energy they just both clash obnoxiously. If Vaggie and Charlie both individually changed for the better or if one of them at least grew up a little, the ship would realistically have a chance at evolving into something beautiful and meaningful. I know it’s only been one episode, but that will take a hella amount of dynamic character development, one that they definitely can’t accomplish with only each other as is.
So let’s hope the new Hazbin crew can help!
Idk where I was going, but ig I just wanted to end with people don’t know what’s supposed to be functional anymore, and that’s precisely why they’re part of *THAT* side of the fandom.
I hope I was not too insensitive or offended anyone.
Ngl not that big into reading on tumblr. At all. But gave it a try and fell in love with a hella good charlastor fiction holy shit not even finished yet but there’s a lot of word count and proper grammar & those are the biggest turn ons for me in a fanfic and it’s too good to keep to myself so here
Check out Arranged Marriageby@charliesradiodemon if you want to fucking die of heated fluff:
Edit: okay, so, apparently it’s proper title is called Push and Pull on Ao3 by the same author which I wasn’t aware of since the chapters published on tumblr have a different heading but yeah.
≫ I originally made this edit to feature in my charlastor fanfiction: Soul Switched: Ch. 10 but I began the story long before Charlie’s official name & design change so this is what I worked with (*^_^*)
≫ I’ve stared at this edit for over four hours so I can’t remember how sore it is on the eyes therefore my apologies in advance (ｰ ｰ;)
I’ve noticed a lot of y’all along with other members of the Hazbin fandom are on AO3 much more than Wattpad, so I’ve also made my Soul Switched fanfic available on Archive Of Our Own if you’d like to read ☺️
I woke up way later than planned today, so I missed the big reveal and actually pretty glad I did. Meant I was able to live in a dying fantasy just a little bit longer.
≫ I’ll try to make this quick, so here we’ll review everything including the following, most notable, changes:
• microphone
• white
• pants
• w h i t e
Troυѕerѕ:
As I predicted, she changed Alastor’s pants to black after Charlie Morningstar’s recent all red outfit, and it looks good It’s a simple accent and easily goes with the rest of the ensemble.
Мoυтн:
His teeth are now shaped slightly different, whereas they used to protected out of his gums individually, they now sort of blend together more. I do like this shape better, they really give Alastor this even more flashy, yet suave, type of essence, you know?
If you look closely, his tongue has changed from grey to red. I personally liked it grey better, as it looked less human on him, but it still works (I also hope his gums are still black as Viv once stated). In a small fraction of frames in the pilot, his tongue is shown as red, which has always confused me; maybe it’s an error idk. But anyway, now it’s officially red.
Gloveѕ:
Alastor has lost the classic, spotted-knuckle pads we used to see on his gloves, which were cannon. Now, I’m not so sure—that may have changed in his new design. Those could be his actual hands now, it’s too soon to say until Vivzie decides to specify otherwise.
Oυтғιт:
Idek where to start.
His sleeves are the same color, but his torso changed. The pinstripes are still the same color, but his chest is a lot brighter now. Is he wearing a vest now??? If so, the colors are clashing horribly with how the sleeves are darker. If it’s still a jacket, then call a new tailor it looks like his went colorblind. But his collar is also colored the same as his sleeves—as it would when someone wears a vest. Even though I hate the new changes rn, idk what’s up because Charlie’s new look is still very stylish and fashionable ✨
But…this? The white doesn’t match his outfit, and not only that, it’s the only trimming on his clothes colored that way, so it’s incredibly out of place. For the sake of styling….I hope it’s a vest, because that would make one funky overcoat O.o
Now, for all us tail lovers, not to worry! There’s still plenty of room for Alastor to hide a fluffy deer tail under that jacket/waistcoat thingy I assure you so we must not lose hope!! (〃ω〃)
Mιcropнone:
Yes, Viv did make an attempt to change his inner microphone from a pastel to white so something would coordinate with the new white trim (and the coffee cup, so as long as he always has a drink with him there is still hope), though he doesn’t carry it half of the time anyway, so that new hem will be standing out a lot all by itself but….yeah. The mic also lost one of its rims, now it only carries one. I almost overlooked that, so despite liking the previous style, it’s not a big deal. I still want to know if she made the staff longer or not, but it’s tucked out of sight here, so we still have yet to find that out.
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Now I’m not going to get into crap like if stuff suits their personas or character/OOC analysis, this is just a fashion overview. It seems Vivzie traded Alastor’s suit/jacket/vest flaps for white so she could give his old darkened ones away to Charlie Morningstar’s new pantsuit that was copy and pasted, switched both of their pant’s colors (black≠red), while using white on Alastor in a way to almost compliment Charlie’s complexion so we don’t get epilepsy when they’re next to each other…? Idk.
Honestly, not even worried about that anymore. It looks like she still got too many complaints about too much red in the pilot—that’s been happening since the thing aired, but I personally always liked the wild pink and red neon schemes up until she tried to pull a switcharoo with Alastor & Charlie, then tried to overcompensate his style to make up for the new changes so they wouldn’t ‘twin.’
But FR tho, ngl at this point Alastor’s old outfit would have looked more tolerable beside Charlie’s new one more than this updated suit. I mean it’s better than looking at an outfit that doesn’t even match by itself, for Hell’s sake it looks like he’s wearing patchwork I can’t stand that small-itty-bitty-isolated WHITE, I’d rather have to see more black on him than that color.
And since black was already and still is his primary monochrome accent, while Charlie’s is now white (instead of her EX. black trousers & suspenders), adding her new monochrome accent to Alastor’s outfit as well, on TOP of all the other shades he is already displaying somehow makes them clash with each other further yet. I’m not kidding, now it looks like Alastor is trying to keep up with Charlie
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All I can say before leaving is this—thank god Viv didn’t go into fashion
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~What do you guys think of all the new changes?
~What do you hope to see in all of the other character’s updated appearances??
Tweets from Viv and the first is referring to Charlie’s last name changing to Morningstar
Because nothing says classic like copying another name from the same character of another hit show
Dude, Morningstar has ALWAYS been a part of Lucifer’s name. Wayyyyyy before the tv show even existed. She’s not copying from Lucifer; she’s simply using the actual Biblical name.
Lucifer literally means “morning star,” ffs x3
Even if Lucifer was always Latin for morning star, that title already has a huge rep for the Lucifer series as is. Either way, it’s worn out by now, and is a really unoriginal surname in these circumstances. It’s one thing to recycle an overused name for the main character your own take of said popular trope (in this case, religious fiction), and it’s another matter entirely to go out of your way to change long standing character’s current name to it.
It’s an extremely cliche move, puts the Hazbin franchise one step closer to mainstream, and their old surname Magne was much more classy, yet simple, translating to ‘all mighty/warrior’ in ancient Norse, and ‘great’ in French. I don’t have a problem if people like how Charlie Morningstar sounds, but there’s nothing at all classic about it anymore, just disappointing to see.
Extremely cliche? Funny you say that when on your blog, your pinned post says that nothing is too cliche, and things are cliche because “people can’t get enough of that shit.”
Headline before that quote also states: “Have an idea for your story?”That post is only referring to storytelling like scenarios, prompts, writing, and genre tropes alone, example: religious fiction. It’s a much different topic altogether when it comes to individual characters that have personal traits and qualities that are much overused like something extremely upfront, for another example, a last name. Just because everyone enjoys a good kind of story, doesn’t mean we always want see the same plain Jane living it. Cliche isn’t a good thing for an OC.
Tweets from Viv and the first is referring to Charlie’s last name changing to Morningstar
Because nothing says classic like copying another name from the same character of another hit show
Dude, Morningstar has ALWAYS been a part of Lucifer’s name. Wayyyyyy before the tv show even existed. She’s not copying from Lucifer; she’s simply using the actual Biblical name.
Lucifer literally means “morning star,” ffs x3
Even if Lucifer was always Latin for morning star, that title already has a huge rep for the Lucifer series as is. Either way, it’s worn out by now, and is a really unoriginal surname in these circumstances. It’s one thing to recycle an overused name for the main character your own take of said popular trope (in this case, religious fiction), and it’s another matter entirely to go out of your way to change long standing character’s current name to it.
It’s an extremely cliche move, puts the Hazbin franchise one step closer to mainstream, and their old surname Magne was much more classy, yet simple, translating to ‘all mighty/warrior’ in ancient Norse, and ‘great’ in French. I don’t have a problem if people like how Charlie Morningstar sounds, but there’s nothing at all classic about it anymore, just disappointing to see.
