#virgil
I still think about Virgil’s skirt look
ok wait considering dark!logan it is like . wildly a shame that i never did anything with this light/ dark reverse au i just found in my old sketchbook
forgive the old & incredibly messy art but like. the concept still slaps
thinking bout how vergil and tolkien both wrote a big epic story full of wars, battles, men having to obey orders given by destiny/greater powers, and in the end the things i (dare i say we? i dont know if that feeling is shared) remember the most are the feelings of going home, wanting peace, tears cried while fighting a senseless war because these heroes had no choice and were chosen by destiny, sacrifices made to rebuild a home, an intense longing for peace and quiet and love and home. big battles fought by heroes who are so deeply human. frodo cries. aeneas cries. both works give such a strong anti war vibe. im crying. i wish i could develop these thoughts better akkdkdjdjd
feel free to delete this comment if ur reblogging from me but i think this comes about as a result of both tolkien and vergil having lived through years of pointless, ceaseless warfare then trying to write an epic to give a mythologized history of their country/land/etc. its a very similar context for the two stories to have been written in. i also notice how tolkien’s published stories have the same arc as the aeneid with the “odyssey story” (the hobbit, aeneas’ wanderings) preceding the “iliad story” (lotr, italy). it’s all parallel!
Camilla in bk 11 of the Aeneid is just every woman ever who has had to take orders from a man with the iq of a salmon and it is actually excellent
the more I think about the Aeneid, the more I realise that when we look at it through modern eyes, it becomes a novel about so much more than the founding of a city. We follow characters who are truly traumatised by all that they have suffered, and a reluctant hero who craves his mother’s comfort - with the weight of his ancestors and his descendants on his shoulders. Despite his own personal trauma, Aeneas must carry on through all the suffering and loss, in order to fulfill his purpose. Despite loosing the most important person in her life, Dido must flee her own country and start up a new kingdom entirely alone, and of course be doomed to meet a tragic end, as all she has worked for falls apart. Despite having his future set out before him, Turnus must fight for all that he had previously deemed so certain, and eventually have it all taken from him, including his life. Surely as modern readers, these tales resonate with us in an entirely new and powerful manner - we can all relate to having to plough through trauma and tragedy despite our own emotions, to feeling alone, craving comfort, being thrown into uncertainty, loosing battles we thought we would win. And the beauty of the Aeneid is the sheer complexity of each one of the characters: hero through one eye, villain through another. It is more than a study of what it means to be roman, it is a study of what it means to be human.
Eastern luxury as a corrupting influence is everywhere in Roman moralizing literature. Livy claims that the moral decline of Rome began in 187 BCE caused by the return of the Roman army from what would become the Roman province of Asia (Western Turkey). Sallust says that Sulla’s return from Asia in 83 BCE had a similar effect.
But I am very keen on amplifying the idea that by locating the foundation story of the Romans in a figure that descends from the east, the seeds of destruction are already sown within the Romans themselves. Thus, at some level, the Augustan cultural project (i.e. Vergil’s Aenied) focuses on returning to the morals of the past while simultaneously creating a narrative that undermines those exact morals.
Or maybe it is not that simple. Maybe it is an attempt to integrate eastern influence as a foundational aspect of what it means to be Roman (how would that sit for a traditionalist?!). Vergil doesn’t shy away from Aeneas’ effeminacy when he makes note of how Aeneas and the Trojans in general are dressed and styled. The offspring of Aeneas and his son Ascanius cannot escape that eastern element when they mix with the native Latins (even though Juno makes it explicit that she wants it eradicated so that none of what is Trojan infects the new mixed race, Aen. 12.820-830). Jupiter responds with commixti corpore tantum subsident Teucri, “The Trojans having been mixed only in body will remain”; a weird way of saying that the only thing Trojan about the resulting mixture will be physical. Thus Romans, according to this narrative, are at some level physically eastern.
*guy whos only read the aeneid reading the iliad* getting a lot of aeneid vibes from this
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I’m prolly gonna repost this tomorrow but I got excited about finishing it so im posting it now too lol
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Death twitches my ear.
“Live,” he says, “I am coming.”
Virgil
Then Tiberinus, the region’s god, seemed to rise up before him
Out of idyllic waters edged by a border of leafy
Poplars, in person, quite elderly, shrouded in greyish, translucent
Flaxen attire, hair veiled by a shadowy mantle of sedge-grass.
Aeneid 8.31-5, trans. Frederick Ahl
dic ait o virgo quid vult concursus ad amnem
quidve petunt animae vel quo discrimine ripas
hae linquunt illae remis vada lividaverrunt (VI.318-20)“Tell me, maiden,” he said, “What is this crowd? What do the spirits seek? What rule decides which leave the banks, which are borne across the leaden stream with oars?”
“The color lividais most unusual. It also is ambiguous since it can be taken as a substitute for blue (caeruleum), or white … either they swept the livid shoals with oars or they swept (i.e. beat) the shoals livid with oars. … In the Latin language the color was associated with autumn, bruises on the body, and with envy.”
“Vergil was apparently looking for a Latin equivalent for the Greek kyaneos, a word rich in associations for mourning and death in Greek poetry, and with particular significance for the underworld. In earlier poets the word seems to have been little more than a poetic equivalent of black (melas) but later came to mean a dark blue.”
Kyaneos is used of:
the bottom of the whirlpool Charybdis, the veil of Thetis mourning for her son (Homer); the chamber of Persephone (Sappho); the eyebrows of Hades (Euripides); a painting of the demon of the underworld, described as somewhere between kyaneos andmelas, a color like that of meat flies (Pausanias)
source: “Most Beautiful Horror: Baroque Touches in Vergil’s Underworld,” Frederick E. Brenk