#depp vs heard

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“we should believe Amber Heard because we should always believe women” okay so how about we believe the woman whose rape story was almost stolen by her, hadn’t she exposed her for it first? how about we believe Amber Heard’s nurse who confirmed there was no injuries on her? or how about we believe dozens of women who know Johnny Depp and all insist he’s a good person?

how about we believe these women instead of the woman who was caught lying time after time, the woman who was previously arrested for domestic violence against another woman, the woman who used the Me Too movement for her own advantage and the woman who attempted to steal another woman’s rape story in hope to destroy an innocent man’s life?

as a woman who actually read court documents, listened to the audiotape which she admitted to having abused her spouse, and saw all the evidences against her, I do not believe Amber Heard.

mdccanon:

Here’s the hilarious thing about pro-Amber people: this case isn’t about who abused who, because Amber never cared to press charges because that would have been disproven in court just like its being disproven now, what with Amber’s legal team insulting the intelligence and threatening the careers of the vast majority of witnesses who were around Amber during and after the alleged abuses. Abuse that her legal team is no longer trying to prove occurred and begged the judge to dismiss the trial because even if they can’t prove Johnny ever laid a hand on her any time she claimed he did, he did verbally abuse her, and isn’t that enough? So what if she may possiblyhave boardline personality disorder. She’s stressed out being a girlboss, so she’s not to be blamed for elaborately orchestrated allegations she makes.

This case is about defamation of character and if Amber’s interview damaged Johnny’s career. Proving he did abuse her is supplemental TO that, but the issue remains: was Johnny cancelled for it?

Amber’s lawyers are happy to say he was cancelled, but blame anything else but her interview, but using the headlines of articles – not the articles themselves, mind you – from undetermined times of publication to say that a man who has been in 3-4 movies a year almost every year since Edward Scissorhands in 1990 and has been an addict that ENTIRE time, has somehow, suddenly lost Hollywood’s patience with his addictions and it just so happened to coincidentally have aligned with Amber’s tell all.

So, the dilemma for pro-Amber people is that this is a LEGAL situation and not just an opinioned moralistic diatribe. Are YOU willing to look someone in the eye and use the actual LEGAL point of this whole trial: “It remains to be seen if Johnny Depp did or did not batter Amber Heard, however, it cannot be overstated that Amber exposing Johnny for the alleged abuser he is did NOT cause his sudden expulsion from major Hollywood productions, such as Fantastic Beasts and Pirates 6. Especially since Amber did not technically name Johnny as the abuser in her interview so it remains to be seen if Amber was even referring to Johnny or if public speculation has led to naming Johnny as the abuser, which, in that case, also makes it not Amber’s fault that Johnny lost his deals.”

Put that on a hashtag.

bebx:

A reminder that Amber Heard was literally caught on tape saying all of these things to Johnny Depp.

Justice for Johnny. Now.

amber stans are literally abuse apologists

I can’t believe this circus has gotten to the point that I feel the need to say something, but I’m gonna say it: I believe Amber Heard.

I believe the case that proved 12 out of 14 cases of Johnny’s abuse of Amber to the civil standard. I believe the ex-girlfriend who has adamantly denied accusations of Amber abusing her. I believe the makeup artist who covered her bruises. I believe the hotel staff that had to clean up the messes of his violent rampages. I believe Ellen Barkin, a former partner of Johnny, who has also testified about his volatility. I believe Amber’s sister, who witnessed some of the violence. I believe her good friend, who was brought to tears while describing the fear she had for Amber’s wellbeing. And I believe Amber herself, when she says she feared for her life at times in their relationship.

I so wanted to dismiss this case as celebrity drama and move on, but the cesspit of social media has not allowed me to do so. Everywhere I go, I see reaction videos and memes. It’s being consumed like a fandom war—to the point that people genuinely thought it was acceptable to use a description of sexual assault as a tiktok sound. I don’t care if they thought it was a lie; the content was horrifying and triggering and not amusing at all. And it was rape culture at its finest (“Amber honey, that sounds like fun. Why are you complaining?”).

YouTube recommends videos of this case like it’s the next influencer cancel-war, and the comments are full of the most vile, misogynistic sentiments I’ve ever seen. “Hystrionic Personality Disorder” is being treated like a legitimate diagnosis (but only for women, of course), rather than the 21st century version of hysteria—aka a diagnosis specifically designed to discount the authentic distress of women. (Ever read Yellow Wallpaper?)

I do believe that men can be, and are, victims of domestic abuse. They deserve unequivocal support. But beyond the ravings of fangirls, the proof is simply not on Johnny’s side. To be fair, I actually believe Johnny about many things—I believe the multiple times he told witnesses (and was recorded admitting) that he cut his own finger. I believe his texts admitting that he wanted to drown then burn Amber and then rape her corpse. I believe that Amber hurled horrible insults at him and struck him, as abuse victims often do when provoked by their abusers. I believe the many, many vile things he’s said about/called women.

And yeah, it’s a real disappointment. I understand the nostalgia surrounding Johnny Depp. In many ways, he defined the media of my generation. But when I say I don’t give a shit, I really mean it. I believe he abused his wife. And I stand with Amber.

as someone who came into this assuming amber heard was in the wrong (based on only knowing the snippets and memes i saw on social media), i get it. i get jumping immediately to depp’s side to finally make the case that men suffer too. that’s an issue that has long been over-looked, sure, and this seems like the perfect opportunity to prove it. but… i’m not so sure.

the reason this is happening right here, right now, with this case, is because amber heard is an easy target. it’s easy to make her the sacrifice thrown to the fire to prove that women care about men being abused too — because she is the first major metoo victim that does not in any way follow the “perfect victim” archetype. she clearly has said and done bad things, sure. and it definitely is true, men can be abused as well, and abuse is not committed solely by women. but jumping on this case as your excuse to show that you believe that to be true is incredibly fucked up. these are real people and a real relationship, and this is a real woman you’re vilifying to prove your righteousness despite all the evidence to contrary. amber has done many shitty things, sure, but i spent hours going into the weeds of everything and, despite coming in leaning towards depp (!!!!!! i really was originally!!!), i’m now deeply appalled at social media’s response to heard and this trial in general. this is not the “believe men!” moment you think it is. do not take that genuinely good and important cause and stain it by making johnny depp its mascot. this case is not the time we’ve all been waiting for to show how important it is to support men too. it is a brutal smear campaign against a victim of abuse and in ten years, all of you will be talking about how awful it was that everyone fell for it at the time.

i genuinely believe that it is not possible to believe depp is an innocent party if you spend a lot of time reading through the evidence and doing actual research rather than bandwagoning. it was an abusive relationship through and through, and both were horrible to each other. but — depp was the aggressor and heard’s abuse was reactionary. both experienced suffering and trauma, but the fact remains: depp had the power in that relationship in every conceivable way. he says as much — in one tape, he curses and screams at her for daring to ‘pretend to be authoritative’ to him and says that she can’t do that, she knows she can’t do that, and the recording ends on him yelling “you don’t exist!” just look at his texts to his friends — innocent good husbands who do not hate their wife or do horrible shit usually do not call their wife a waste of a cum guzzler and fantasize about drowning and burning her then fucking her to make sure she’s dead. there’s a recording of him where he, after threatening to cut amber w a knife, tries to force her to cut him as she, through tears, begs him not to hurt himself. now, i know many men who have suffered from depression. none of them have ever tried to force a knife into their partner’s hands and begged the partner to cut them, then called their partner a “pussy” for refusing to do so. that is not typical depressed behavior and should not be excused as such, especially because it stigmatizes mental illness even more and makes it harder for others struggling with depression. he admitted to headbutting her in the forehead, said in recordings ‘i didn’t even get physical THIS TIME’ and shit like that, made constant references to ‘the monster’ that came out of him whenever he drank/did drugs, etc etc etc. and note that these are INCITING actions. heard hitting depp in response to his attacking her is a REACTIONARY one.

so please please PLEASE stop making excuses for men so you can get your Good Feminist card and prove you’re not like those other Bad Feminists Who Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously, that you’re a GOOD woman, and therefore you shouldn’t be lumped in with the stereotype because YOU, you’re not a typical crazy woman — you’re logical and rational and you care about men. but the thing is, saying depp is innocent is not logical or rational. you are virtue signaling too, yall. that’s what all of this is. i know because i used to do the exact same thing!! all the time!!! so please learn some self-awareness and look at the facts and evidence in front of you, look at it through a lens of power dynamics and domestic abuse, look at it seriously, take both testimonies seriously, and do not form your opinions from memes on tiktok or two sentence tweets or even this post. if you feel compelled to have a strong opinion on this (despite this being a domestic violence issue between two rich white strangers that have nothing to do with you — although i do get it, clearly i’m guilty of it too), then please, please base it in the reality of these people’s relationship and not because you want it to be the symbol of a movement or because you saw people saying shit on social media.

Based solely on the next text, guess who I’m copying?

“That’s correct”

The list on who’s on the final jury in the Depp v. Heard civil trial that is currently ongoing in Fairfax, Virginia.

(demonstrations from CourtTv & Rob from @Law & Lumber, one to show the full jury & the other to show the dimssed alternates)

The two alternates were Juror #2/B & Juror #8/H. Juror #2 is a Asian male, who is in the mid 20s. Juror #8 is a older White woman, who’s in her fifties. They were both assumed by lawyers and reporters, Ian (@.RunkleOfTheBailey), Larry @.DUI Guy), Rob (@.Law&Lumber), and James, (@JamesFromCourt) to be Pro-Johnny.

The remaining jury are these 7 individuals in total below.

1. Juror #1/A, a Asian male, assumed to be in his mid 20s to early 30s.

2. Juror #3/C, a Asian male, assumed to be in his mid 30s.

3. Juror #4/D, a Black woman, assumed to be in her mid 40s to early 50s.

4. Juror #5/E, a Asian woman, assumed to be in her early 30s.

5. Juror #6/F, a White man, assumed to be in his mid 60s.

6. Juror #7/G, a White man, assumed to be in his late 20s to early 30s.

7. Juror #9/I, a Asian man, assumed to be in his 40s. Interesting enough, this juror is assumed to be very Anti-Amber, to point of out right give her a scrawl when she was on the stand.

5 men, 2 women.

All of these 7 jurors must come to an unanimous decision to reach a verdict in this case.

a-little-counter-esperanto:

Well, my suspicions were correct. It’s not just AH’s Dad who has mistreated animals. AH herself did in her youth.

(tw: descriptions of animal abuse/animal death)

According to a former school friend of both AH and Whitney, she once poured habanero hot sauce in her dog’s mouth and poured all the water out of the dog bowl so she could watch him dehydrate and howl in pain. This friend also recounted an incident where AH beat Whitney’s beloved pet hamster to death on the sidewalk.

Those most likely to abuse their partners start this pattern of behaviour with animals.

It’s quite clear to me that she never cared for Johnny’s dogs at all. They were just a pawn in her sick game. Why else would she have sent them to live with her father, a man convicted of animal abuse?

I hope she gets the punishment she deserves for being an absolute abhorrent human being.

Hold on, wait a damn minute. She did what?

I swear, the more I learn, the more I wish I hadn’t.

a-little-counter-esperanto:

people who are still using the article from The Scum to justify their hatred for JD and his supporters, Dan Wooton, AH and Justice Nichol aren’t going to gang bang you

Also, it doesn’t make sense.

As much as her stans were to cry out, Nicol found “12 out of 14 incidents of abuse” in his final judicial ruling, he shouldn’t even say that. That phrase is digusting because while both trials are talking about abuse, it’s no the focal point. Johnny has not,cannot, and will not be subjected to a criminal trial of abuse. That “12 out of 14” is super inapporiate because it implies that Johnny should’ve been, despite our judicial system that’s in place. Such a gross damn phrase.

He also dismiss a shit load of evidence that was favorable to Johnny. He denied expert testimony for Johnny’s team. He barely allowed witness testimony for Johnny. Anything that went against Amber, was dismissed essentially.

And still, the funny thing about it, Amber committed perjury despite being favorable. Read Nick Wallis transcripts, she does it in seconds. 

a-little-counter-esperanto:

The AH stans seem so keen to bring Johnny’s children into their arguments when he’s explicitly stated he wants them left out of any coverage or discourse about the trial. Baffling. If I have only one thing to say about AH’s child it is something that actually encourages the protectionof both AH and her child. Because even though I may disagree with AH supporters, I will never go low. No child should be at risk.

sullxo:

Addict ≠ Abuser, ladies and gentleman.

they do be like that

DONATED=PLEDGED

sayabenz:

To have so many people fighting so fearlessly and emotionally for you

The power that has

Ben Chew getting choked up

The fact Johnny brings people together like this and the fact methodical, sometimes cynical and far from being sentimental lawyers get So affected by not commitment to his client but loyalty to a person speaks volumes!

justascrollingghost:

JD Lawyer: Miss Heard lied twice

AH’s Team:OBJECTION

JD Lawyer: anywho as I was saying miss heard lied twice

fullmetaljackowacko:

Amber: “I didn’t write the op-ed it’s not about him.”

also Amber: “that’s why I wrote the OP-ed about him”

It’s over. Case closed.

Plus the fact Rottenborn didn’t ask her about SA, listing all the rest of the abuse she allegedly underwent.

they know they will lose the case on her retweeting that online version of the op with HER BEING THE VICTIM OF SA and they tried to back off from this but then AH went on her first testimony spree, against her counsel first motion for dismissal grounds how she didn’t write the headline for SA. and went into details how she is indeed an SA victim and it was the first match to set this case on fire.

there is no case anymore.

she commited self anihilation with her own TILL DEATH knife.

Justice. gif

AH: trashing, sobbing, snivelling, making the worst ugly crying faces ever obnoxiously in the ABC drama performance of her lifetime

Camille: objection, non-responsive

Judge Azcarate: I’ll sustain the objection, next question

is basically legal code for

cut the cringe show and let us live

what’s left after her final statement is aggression and anger

what’s left after his is hurt and sadness

it tells you all you need to know about the verdict

underthemoonn:

Elaine:So this gets you your 15 minutes of fame.

Morgan Tremaine (ex TMZ employee): I could say the same thing about you taking Amber Heard as a client.

Finally someone clapping back at her trying to use that as an excuse with the witnesses.

grungehearted:

Reminder that this is the woman people and media and still choosing to defend. This woman, who is claiming to be so traumatized that she has PTSD but has been smirking and smiling like a maniac as her victim relives the abuse she put him through.

She was also smirking during the Hicksville testimony yesterday (I forgot the brave man’s name). When he stated how her screaming triggered him and reminded him of the abuse he personally endured…She has zero empathy.

sullxo:

“No matter what happens, I did get here, I did tell the truth, and I did speak up…”

— John Christopher Depp II.

they also brought him back to remind everyone the stark contrast between the plaintiff and the defendant

I mean he sounds exactly the same whether he’s on a direct, cross, on the audios or the interviews

she sounds and looks with her 50 expressions like 5 different people depending on the circumstances

that’s also blatant verdict here

not all heroes wear capes

Ambuser exposed by Bed&Breakfast owner

the hero JD deserves not the one AH needs right now

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