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Like in the Church of the Starry Children we are them? Obviously ‘starry children’ is a reference to Starkid and is just another neat fourth wall break but I kept thinking about who they could be.

Roman talks about how the Starry Children are “gone but through us they live on”. Now there’s a long list of potential candidates in Hatchetfield of things that could be 'gone’ like Miss Holloway’s 3 girls, the kids Willabella killed and so many more so I decided to look into the timings of the church. Now it’s said a few times that it’s the 75th annual Honey Festival in Honey Queen and based on the fact that the season takes place in the summer of 2020 that would place the first one taking place in summer 1945 (which is very interesting  considering the uh… nuclear history of Hatchetfield when the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945). Anyways this date allowed me to eliminate many candidates from the roster. Nearly all Hatchetfield events that we’re aware of take place post-2004 (shoutout to 2005) so as a result we’d be dealing with events that only took place prior to 1945. 

Now Miss Holloway is somewhat of an anomaly here based on her whole immortal schtick we don’t actually know how old she is and therefore when these girls were around. However, based on the fact that  it’s the Church of the Starry Children and not just 'girls’ and also Miss Holloway’s 80s aesthetic kinda tying her to around the late 1900s (probably like the 1960/70s at the EARLIEST) I felt inclined to remove her and the girls.

Now there was the possibility of the kids whose blood Willabella used to write the Black Book (they made some stunning illustrations Bella I have to hand it to you) but I was also reluctant to think it was them for a number of reasons.  Willabella was executed in 1824 meaning that these children were likely killed (if they were even killed it’s not confirmed but knowing the lords in black they probably were) prior to that date meaning that the first sacrifice didn’t take place until over 120 years later. Now of course it’s possible that the church existed before they started sacrificing women (Sheila and Mr Young got married in 1920 after all) but there is another factor that must be taken into account when thinking about these children. 

They’re the children of the Hatchet Men.

We know from what Sheila said that the Hatchet Men and the church don’t get along very well (read: the Hatchet Men executed the entire church) and so the fact that the church would be set up in honour of the children of their sworn enemies seems very unlikely. 

So as a result there was not really any known people in Hatchetfield who are “gone” that would really fit the bill of the Church. So then I ended up going back to general concepts in Hatchetfield and thinking about things that were gone during Nightmare Time and it was soon very obvious. One thing that was commonplace in TGWDLM and BF that hadn’t translated over to Nightmare Time was the audience and the audience interaction. In both TGWDLM and BF characters interact with the audience in some way and of course they can’t do that in NMT.  So when you combine that fact with the fact that they’re called the “starry children” a DIRECT reference to Starkid it seems entirely likely that we are the Starry Children. Cos we’re gone now but through Nightmare Time, Hatchetfield and the actors continuing to tell us these  stories even when we can’t physically be there… 

We live on

atty-goldstein:

awigglycultist:

blueskiesandstarrynights:

abiimaryy:

There’s no way they didn’t right? Like: 

  1. He was made in a lab THERE’S ONLY 1 LAB WE KNOW OF IN THE HATCHETFIELD UNIVERSE
  2. They found blue goo on a meteor and brought it back to earth CCRP HAVE COLONIES ON THE MOON  A METEOR AIN’T THAT BIG FOR THEM
  3. They spliced the goo with human DNA. Who do we know that has a genetic database for all of their employees and actively buys peoples DNA? CCRP!!

This just serves as another time CCRP is involved with the lords in black. What are they doing over there whats their end goal? Like they’re trying to harness the powers of the lords in black but to what end? What do they want?

Tazzy asking the real questions here. Let’s face it, they probably have every employees DNA on file, this is CCRP. However, Otho is described as a boy a couple times so I assume he’s in the body of a teenager, but they could’ve just taken an adults DNA and he’s only aged to teenage years so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(tags by @hatchetfieldtheories)

Hmm. I feel like since he’s described as a boy I’d imagine he’s a teen and they used a teens DNA. I mean yeah using an adults DNA is possible for sure but I just feel like a teen would make sense. So what teens DNA would CCRP have the easiest access to then? I’d imagine any relatives of employees there, say maybe Alice or Peter?

But let’s be honest, they probably used Paul’s because of they would

I think it would be Paul’s DNA too. Maybe they got to find out that in one timeline, Paul was chosen as the apotheosis’s main target. And they figured, maybe Paul + Pokotho would more or less create some sort of balance.

Maybe it’s why Otho doesn’t sing and dance, or makes people sing and dance when he apotheosizes them.

Maybe Otho gets that dramatic about gaining power because CCRP didn’t take into account that Paul does have the ability to be ruthless (i.e. Paul 23) and by the time the clone rebellion happened, it was too late to undo the work done on Otho.

And idk it’s just funny to think that it kiiiinda makes Paul and Pokey, Otho’s parents. Which would make for some pretty fun AUs

@m-eowdy:

I agree that age of the person DNA has literally nothing to do with Otho being a teen but I feel like I’m obligated to say that Paul 23 was identical to Paul. Nobody realised that he’d been replaced and CCRP didn’t start cloning Paul when he was a baby so clearly they’ve got some way of aging them quickly??

And I think the reasons Otho is a teen is cos, as we know, that’s when a child’s powers reach their peak. Now of course Otho is the personified form of a Lord in Black but I feel like that restriction must still apply to him too in some capacity. We already know he was limited in his power by being in the Otho form which is why he needed Hannah. Now we know CCRP are actively trying to harness the power of the lords in black so of course they’d make him a teen if that’s when his powers peaked.

There’s no way they didn’t right? Like: 

  1. He was made in a lab THERE’S ONLY 1 LAB WE KNOW OF IN THE HATCHETFIELD UNIVERSE
  2. They found blue goo on a meteor and brought it back to earth CCRP HAVE COLONIES ON THE MOON  A METEOR AIN’T THAT BIG FOR THEM
  3. They spliced the goo with human DNA. Who do we know that has a genetic database for all of their employees and actively buys peoples DNA? CCRP!!

This just serves as another time CCRP is involved with the lords in black. What are they doing over there whats their end goal? Like they’re trying to harness the powers of the lords in black but to what end? What do they want?

So as you may or may not have seen last week Matt Lang confirmed the Hatchetfield timeline split. (you can see the clip here).

So I thought it was about time I updated my timeline diagram for Nightmare Time 2 (and also just general changes I’ve made in my own head since I last made it). Anyways here’s timeline theory 4.0.

Or as best as I can guess at them.

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So as we all know NMT2 takes place on one singular timeline so I decided to sit down and take a guess at the order of events. I spent literal hours reading through the scripts to make this lol

All of these events take place in 2020 btw

I think Casey might be on of Miss Holloway’s three girls…

Okay so on one of her streams recently Mariah said this (I’ve edited out the game dialogue bits in-between)

And it got me thinking…

We’ve all pretty much guessed for a year that the 80s pop star on Casey’s shirt was Miss Holloway but NMT2 all but confirmed it… “the whole world has FORGOTTEN”. The pop star is one of Miss Holloway’s old personas!!!!

I (and I’m sure everyone) just assumed this was an “oh it’s been a while since the 80s lost to time” sort of thing BUT NO!! THEY’VE ACTUALLY FORGOTTEN HER. So we have such a clear connection between Miss Holloway and Casey already and then I kept thinking about what Mariah said.

Casey is dead right?? She got buried by the Hatchet Men meaning she had the gift and she was killed for it. That sure as hell sounds like someone who Miss Holloway couldn’t save right?? And to add onto this Mariah played one of the girls in the 3-girl creature!! Add that to the fact that Casey was the only tree-person named and that Nick is discussing her character with Mariah (he wouldn’t do that for a one-off background character) I think it’s very likely we’re gonna be seeing Miss Casey again and it’s gonna be HEARTBREAKING

I think I figured out what puts me off Perky’s Buds personally.

The setting doesn’t match the tone.

Like the isolated farm setting with the backwoods cultists nearby and the intelligent birds says folk horror.

But the tone of the episode is a 90’s stoner horror so it clashes.

Because the setting relies on slow build horror but the tone is fast paced, so everything is a little off.

It’s so important to me that Holloway always finds Duke. She really is in every life choosing him.

You’re telling me Yellow Jacket is sung about Ethan???? I thought it was about Pamela-

nibblenephim:

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 (desperately) amen everybody! a to the men!

Whoever said Jerry is sexyman material, I'mma need you to stop /j

infected-hive:

So uhhh… the axe-man song made me very uncomfortable. It’s objectively a very good song and I like it overall but some of the wording and music video just really comes across as ableist to me? I don’t know if it’s just me but?

My problem is partially with some things in the music video but saying your (non-human) villain has “the mind of a psycho” and “he’s what the doctors call insane” just does not sit right with me. It just feels incredibly tone-deaf, especially seeing as the story is a slasher.

fencecollapsed:

unoriginal jokes aside this is exactly what happened right-

bi-force-1:

booigi-boi:

bi-force-1:

bi-force-1:

Written on the back are memories of drawing on Thrash’s tattoos with sharpies because his Amazon order didn’t come in time and how they melted off by the end of the night.



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I seriously cannot believe I got this idea all the way out of my head. I’m so excited and tired at the same time. The posters in the background were made by spacevirgoart on Instagram.

Like 99% of the fandom is excited for Holloduke content, but I just wanna see these dorks with barely one braincell between them again.

You and me both

Best characters in Killer Track, change my mind

Exactly!

bi-force-1:

bi-force-1:

Written on the back are memories of drawing on Thrash’s tattoos with sharpies because his Amazon order didn’t come in time and how they melted off by the end of the night.



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I seriously cannot believe I got this idea all the way out of my head. I’m so excited and tired at the same time. The posters in the background were made by spacevirgoart on Instagram.

Like 99% of the fandom is excited for Holloduke content, but I just wanna see these dorks with barely one braincell between them again.

You and me both

Best characters in Killer Track, change my mind

DADDY COUNT 4

growing up is for poor people frank

oh look at that, some father-son bonding time

not only is everyone in this family Jamie, everyone is bi 

Sheila is honestly more gaslight gatekeep girlboss than i will ever be

He can’t brush his teeth, he might choke

Becky is the only nurse in Hatchetfield

The real daddy is the friends we made along the way

Daddy issues, we’ve all got ‘em here in Hatchetfield

​daddy issues, mommy issues, WE GOT IT ALL IN HATCHETFIELD

RIP Frank, he malewifed to close to the sun​

so is this frank’s anti-capitalism arc

PULL THE LEVER KRONK

BARRY SWIFT MY BELOVED

​Frank and Barry, I ship it

​its all marco no polo :/

vitamin Deez nuts

can we get to 20 daddys

STARKID STOP KILLING TED 24/7 CHALLENGE

BUT WHO WILL PICK UP PETER FROM CAMP??????? DIED FOR COOCHIE?????

Gotta give Jeff Blim props for his performance as a literal corpse, 10/10

BABE WAKE UP NEW CHURCH OF THE STARRY CHILDREN LORE JUST DROPPED

​hatchetfield dennys hell yeah

Everyone in this episode has s a whole gender and a half

​Duke cures my daddy issues

if everybody in Starkid could stop being so attractive that’d be great thanks

HAVE HIM FOR DINNER SHES GONNA VORE HIM ALIIIVE I KNOW IT

best MILF ever

tig ol bitties

humans confuse me Isaac 

these aren’t crows Emma, they’re nighthawks​ 

leave room for Jesus Grace smh

MAGIC WEED BIRD HAS A FLOATING GUN

“ya wack it for a while” in abstinence camp???

Cover in syrup?? That doesn’t sound like leaving room for Jesus–

NOT PREMARITAL SEX

LEAVE SMOKEY BEAR OUT OF THIS???

Ted is anti Axe-Man

“Ah, shoot” - reaction to finding body parts stacked like firewood

Oh my god Girl Jerry has a degrading kink 

H A N K I E P A N K I E 

get ‘em Lumby

Li’l Jerry ace king

THE POWER OF RULE 34 COMPELS YOU

you can’t call this song a banger. Banger means sex!

  • Zoey Chambers (the barista) is dead, and Linda Monroe is too (as is her husband, Gerald)
  • Emma Perkins and Ziggs are both in jail for killing Nighthawks, and the entire farmland burned to the ground
  • Also those Hatchet dudes from the woods whose names I can’t remember are dead (killed by the birds)
  • Grace Chastity is now the head of Abstinence Camp?? and looking very murdery
  • The Lumberaxe is still out there somewhere in the woods
  • Miss Holloway is legally dead, and but she’s still around as a guidance counselor and now goes by Miss Holliday
  • Duke also does not recognize her, not really (and that’s all I’m gonna say about that because if I get more detailed I’ll start fucking sobbing again)
  • Sherman Young is now a seven-year old kid (physically) and is like?? a cultist?? now??  
  • Also Frank Pricely is now Sherman’s “Daddy” ugh
  • Speaking of which, Ted Spankoffski is also dead, and Peter - his brother - does not know that yet (that we know of)
  • Speaking of Peter, he and Stephanie Lauter have a little thing going on (not that that’s like super relevant, just something I think we should remember)

And here are the things we know about the finale so far

  • Mariah will be appearing as Webby
  • Lex, Ethan, and Hannah will all be in the episode (and it’s seeming like it’s centered around Hannah)
  • There are other kids with superpowers, and Bryce is playing one of them, named Spitfire, who I’m pretty sure can either summon blasts of fire or blow things up (context from the name and the reel she posted)
  • These superpowered kids are all competing against one another in this weird competition for money
  • Hannah is competing because she had an “accident” in shop class (maybe taught by Tom Houston?) and Lex can’t pay the enormous medical bill for whatever it is that happens to Hannah
  • Curt is playing a new character named Eddie Chiplucky
  • James is playing another new character name Charles
  • The entire cast will be featured in this episode
  • Nick has insinuated that the villain of the episode is similar to Lumberaxe in that they’re “hoping they can pull it off” like they did with him
  • The final number of the series features everyone in the cast

Anyways I think this episode is gonna hit GOOD and I will definitely be freaking out over it so GET YO TICKETS AND GO SUPPORT THESE AMAZING PEEPS

graceschasity:

i havent seen anyone bring it up but its canon now that alice got out of hatchetfield and went to new york for school

Sorry for all the Starkid content (no I’m not) and no majorspoilers for Killer Track (it’s kind of a spoiler), but that episode fucking DESTROYED me Kim and Curt how fucking dare you play with my emotions like that

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