Peter Capaldi’s 12th Doctor regeneration was everything he deserved. Twelve was the most tormented Doctor, the most haunted by his past, so full of secret pains we would never know about. He really felt like he was hiding back so much, and was putting on a mask so much of the time. Seeing the Doctor find peace in himself, and the optimism in himself (herself!!!) for the future, was absolutely incredible. I honestly can’t think of a more suiting end for Twelve. It was bittersweet, but I feel like I can comfortably and peacefully say goodbye.
Been taking a look at Death Comes to Time for map reasons (since it’s here we’re introduced to Mt. Plutarch and the Lune Forest - the latter of which is also mentioned in Gallifrey: Time War, though it seems a lot of people misheard it as ‘Loom Forest’). Got a couple of theories based on some details of the scenes with Ace:
1. There might be a connection between this timeline and The End of Time:
Ace recognises some of the constellations in the sky on Gallifrey from Earth. Casmus doesn’t correct her. But this is ludicrous, the planets are at least 29000 ly apart, if not galaxies. Even if some of the stars can be seen from both Gallifrey and Earth, they would be oriented differently.
Now you could point out that 'constellation’ is sometimes used differently in DW, such as for stars that are near eachother locally (this definition is used a lot actually), rather than angularly, or may even refer to stars that are temporally connected in some way. But that doesn’t seem to make sense here. At best, maybe Ace is flat out wrong and Casmus is misunderstanding based on different definitions, or just ignoring the statement.
On the other hand, I think it has been suggested that Gallifrey’s heavens behave differently (though I thought that was simply related to Gallifrey’s changing flow of time?) so maybe this is some sort of alignment corresponding to “Ace’s era”? One could probably link this in some way to the Younger World Story or Earth’s caldera.
My suggestion, however, is this timeline might be related to Gallifrey being moved from the Time War into the Solar System in Rassilon’s Final Sanction. Perhaps this is a universe where the Sanction was completed and reverberated back in time as it collapsed, as far as the Seventh Doctor’s era, creating new branching timelines as it went. It would even help justify the Time Lords’ powers in this universe, if they’re in the process of ascending and becoming 'beings of consciousness alone’ ala the Celestis.
In other words, the stars look like they do from Earth because Gallifrey is quite literally in Earth’s place (though obviously not quite in Earth’s present day).
2. “Saronite” explains why Gallifrey’s oceans aren’t as blue as Earth’s.
A much less grandiose theory here, but in Ace’s tests, she must cross the “Cavern of Infinite Death” without falling into the pool of saronite. When she does and believes she’s been poisoned, Casmus explains:
ACE: But what about the poison? CASMUS: Who said it was poisonous? ACE: But … but … you said it… CASMUS: I said you mustn’t touch the saronite. ACE: Well, what is saronite? CASMUS: It is much like water, with one important exception. ACE: What exception? What is it! CASMUS: It is red.
Presumably the pool is water with some mineral 'saronite’ mixed in. If 'saronite’ is common enough across Gallifrey, it may tint the oceans enough, combined with the reddish glows of the Suns and the atmospheric tint, to result in the dark red-brown-purple-ish colour of the seas we tend to see from space.
Fun fact: I googled saronite to see if it was some real mineral, but all the results related to World of Warcraft, where it is the name of a mineral formed of the blood of 'Yogg-Saron’?
I don’t know where saronite first appeared. If it came from Wrath of the Lich King, then the Doctor Who usage predates it. However I know Warcraft as a franchise is older than Death Comes to Time, so saronite might have appeared there earlier.
Either way, I guess Gallifrey’s water is literally filled with the blood of an elder god.
Started work on Gallifrey map v2, now with more visual references. >:)
It’ll also be much more detailed - I’m hoping to try using fictionalmaps.com to make a zoomable version, even though most of the planet other than the Capitol/Prydonia and Arcadia will be empty of detail, unless I or someone else does some fanon worldbuilding for regions like Anarcos or Capari where we have little more than a name.
Background is my previous version, which I’ve been using as a reference for working out placements and stiching parts together. Main goal is to use the new sources to help fill in the parts where I had to rely purely on descriptive sources (ie. most of Wild Endeavour).
Here’s my original sketch map for v1, for comparison:
If you’re wondering why I’m not using End of Time or Tecteun’s story in The Timeless Children, at this point I’m working on the assumption that the ‘surface’ seen in those is the Transduction Barrier (which has some interesting timeline implications for Rassilon’s era). Hence why it glows so much in both, plus why Gallifrey’s so huge in the prior when most sources suggest it’s roughly Earth-size. This is also why neither show visible oceans/landmasses but other sources do.
I could use the ship-approaching scene from Invasion of Time, but based on the star movement we only actually see a very small part of the surface in that.
Actually was able to add another shot from EVE Online, to shape the south of Wild Endeavour a bit more, as well as the south pole:
With that in mind, here’s my very rough initial sketch of the continents (you can see where I’ve smudged it to tweak shapes and sizes). I made some small tweaks compared to the sources to allow for spherical artefacts, lighting, compatability with other sources/descriptions, but I think it matches up to the above pretty well:
Will be expanding on this of course. Here’s my to-do list:
Started work on Gallifrey map v2, now with more visual references. >:)
It’ll also be much more detailed - I’m hoping to try using fictionalmaps.com to make a zoomable version, even though most of the planet other than the Capitol/Prydonia and Arcadia will be empty of detail, unless I or someone else does some fanon worldbuilding for regions like Anarcos or Capari where we have little more than a name.
Background is my previous version, which I’ve been using as a reference for working out placements and stiching parts together. Main goal is to use the new sources to help fill in the parts where I had to rely purely on descriptive sources (ie. most of Wild Endeavour).
Here’s my original sketch map for v1, for comparison:
If you’re wondering why I’m not using End of Time or Tecteun’s story in The Timeless Children, at this point I’m working on the assumption that the ‘surface’ seen in those is the Transduction Barrier (which has some interesting timeline implications for Rassilon’s era). Hence why it glows so much in both, plus why Gallifrey’s so huge in the prior when most sources suggest it’s roughly Earth-size. This is also why neither show visible oceans/landmasses but other sources do.
I could use the ship-approaching scene from Invasion of Time, but based on the star movement we only actually see a very small part of the surface in that.
Something rather interesting from The Day of the Doctor draft with Eccleston! While we wouldn’t learn that the Barn™ was a place from the Doctor’s childhood untilListen(and not seeing that it’s still useduntilHell Bent), this Ninth Doctor draft actually has the Moment take a moment (heh) to explain the bizarre location (the middle of a goddamn Gallifreyan desert):
Interesting to keep in mind, as the finalized The Day of the Doctor certainly shows a much different location for the Barn™ than the later Hell Bent:
Middle of the desert vs roughly at the base of a mountain.
And I’ve half-jokingly (and half-completely goddamned seriously) discussed how I like thinking that mountain is Mount Lung/Plutarch, the crater in its side representing House Lungbarrow’s former spot, and the Barn™ being one of the shelters for the few remaining Cousins not sucked into other Houses or Faction Paradox.
Now,granted (before anyone takes this too seriously or tries to be pedantic), NuWho’s Gallifrey has never been geographically consistent or maintained the same look/elements through the seasons, mostly due to ever evolving special effects and filming locations. Also, the draft with the Ninth Doctor seems to strongly imply the Doctor actually has no familiarity with the Barn™ at all, and given that it is very much a draft (with both Eccleston and a non-Billie Piper version of the Moment), literally none of this means anything serious.
But, the idea of the Moment creating Lungbarrow’s old ramshackle barn from the Doctor’s memories in a different location, the real Barn™ barning somewhere at the base of Mount Lung/Plutarch, with his perceptions either impaired by the Moment or the severity of what he was about to do, is now 100% and adamantly my new headcanon.
Made a little discovery looking back at some old DWM articles that immediately pulled my mind back to this post.
FromThe Essential Doctor Who - The Time Lords: there’s an interview with director Douglas Mackinnon talking aboutListen, where he reveals that in the first draft there wasn’t an explicit connection between the barns of Day of the DoctorandListen - in fact they were location scouting for other barns to use for filming. It was only when Michael Pickwoad mentioned that the old barn was still available in storage that Moffat, Brian Minchin, and Mackinnon made it explicitly the same one.
Obviously the one the Moment created was meant to echo the Lungbarrow barn, but originally they were going to look completely different.
To me, this really serves as a sign that the barns could STILL have been in two different locations, even with changes from the early drafts of both episodes. It certainly seems that was Moffat’s intention even after the edits to Day of the Doctor.
EVE: Online x Doctor Who initial thoughts and rambling
Still in the process of examining and breaking down Gallifrey’s appearance in EVE: Online. I’d like to get to it myself but haven’t managed yet since I’m new at the game, so for now have been relying on gameplay videos online. This does mean there may be stuff I’m missing, perhaps overlooked by the experienced EVE players whose videos I was watching.
Initial thoughts?
As far as I can tell there’s basically no lore or story, which is a bit disappointing given it was advertised as featuring remnants from the Time War. The main takeaway is the loot (some Eve: Online stuff (which I guess you could argue absorbs EVE’s lore into the Doctor Who universe: it’s also called an “interstellar convergence” not a multiversal one) and some Who-themed outfits and skins, though I did find a scrap piece of a Dalek plunger so there may be more unique stuff?), gameplay, and the Gallifrey maps.
I’m mostly positive on the latter. A bit disappointed that it’s not an explorable system, but rather isolated regions with a surrounding skybox, though the different “warp matrix filaments” do lead to different positions around Gallifrey, so you do get to see it from multiple perspectives.
They also clearly went with style over substance, which has pros and cons. On one hand, I clearly can’t use sizes or distances for analysis as everything is way too close together to work physically.
On the other hand - a lot is visible!
For example?
Polarfrey (!!!)
Well granted, it’s not labelled as that or anything, but that’s the best fit for the planet in Gamma Kasterborous.
In fact, I think the artist must have done some research, as they didn’t do a bad job with the system.
Gallifrey with it’s two moons and rings (a bit thicker than they probably should be, but again, I’ll let it pass for visuals). The moons match up pretty nicely with sources. Right is obviously the very large and close coppery Pazithi Gallifreya. Left is the other, thus-far unnamed smaller moon.
Interestingly, the colours vary a lot from different perspectives. Just above the atmosphere of Gallifrey, everything is very red, suggesting perhaps an effect of the upper atmosphere or transduction barrier, or maybe just relative desaturation due to the surrounding warp convergence and nebulae. The second moon also looks more grey than blue, which fits quite nicely with its differing depictions.
While not much detail is clear from high orbit, low orbit does show visible bodies of water! It seems to only be a small portion of the surface visible though.
There’s also this planet, which I think is either Karn or Tersurus. It seems to be opposite the suns, I think, which suggests one of those outer planets, plus it doesn’t match the inner Venus-like planet seen in Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy.
So yeah, either a somewhat desaturated Karn, or Tersurus mixing its Big Finish and Fatal Death designs. Both also have at least one moon, which matches up.
Background visuals are also very played up, considering Gallifrey’s supposed to be sat in the dying days of space.
My many possible Watsonian explanations:
This could simply be an effect of the Convergence, which does create smaller nebulae and wormhole-like structures.
This Gallifrey could be yet another cloneworld (probably not, but always a nice fallback theory).
Gallifrey is no longer positioned at the end of the universe (which would have interesting implications, given that red-grassed planet Bel visited in the present day in Flux).
This is Gallifrey at another point in its history than the Doctor’s present (but clearly post-Time War - arguably disproven by the presence of 13th Doctor-styled loot?). Maybe this is set between DayandTime of the Doctor, and the EVE universe is one the Time Lords explored trying to find their way back into N-Space? Or the EVE universe IS the universe Gallifrey was stored in after Day?
Gallifrey’s system briefly popped into the EVE universe for another reason, or just as a natural effect of the convergence? Maybe it’s the same kind of convergence that led to the events of Assimilation^2, hence the mix of EVE: Online and DW items - it’s a temporarily merged ‘amalgam’ universe akin to the Star Trek/Doctor Who universe in that comic?
Possible Division/Flux related shenanigans, given we were just exploring the idea of re-establishing in a whole new universe (though my interpretation was that it would have been the post-universe, which would have a greatly different appearance and physics).
I’m looking at redoing them, adding lots of new locations from new sources, or ones I didn’t orginally include (Trigovia, Gin-Seng, Capari, Anarcos etc. - also hopefully using the book image from Good Omens to improve on the continental map) and fixing some issues (eg. I originally had Olyesti on the western coast of Wild Endeavour when The Infinity Doctors says it was to the East).
Rather than just judging by eye based on photos, I’m also looking at using techniques like photogrammetry to help map out locations like the mountains around the Capitol, so the distances and heights are as accurate as possible (the exact size of the Citadel dome is very important for working out, for example, the distance between the Capitol and the Lungbarrow barn). Above are screen captures for the two iterations of the Capitol I’ve looked at so far: The Name of the DoctorandDay of the Doctor, which I thought I’d share!
The models are mostly unedited, except for some messy details around the dome I manually removed, since this software doesn’t work very well with the glass distortions (hence why the space directly behind the Citadel in both cases is much emptier).
The blue cones are the camera perspectives for each of the screen shots used to construct the 3D models.
Romanadvoratrelundar, President of Gallifrey and Queen of my Heart ❤️
I was going for a Hans Holbein-esque official portrait that’s probably hanging somewhere on Gallifrey… or in a certain someone’s art collection. This will probably end up being a Gallifrey cover once I find the right episode for it!
Also my first six Gallifrey covers are now available on my Etsy! You can find the link in my bio
Hey Gallifrey fans! Sadly, I’ve had to close my Etsy store as the BBC have reported my shop (specifically my Gallifrey bundles) for copyright infringement, despite the fact that there has always been a clear disclaimer in my profile explaining that these are tribute works and are in no way officially licensed.
I hope to make more Gallifrey content in the future (I have several in progress) but for now at least I think I’ll take a break from my graphic novel covers.
Thanks for all the lovely comments and tags you all have left over the past year and a bit ❤️
“There will be a place for you with me, for always, whatever face I wear.”
And that’s a wrap on my covers for season two of Gallifrey!
It’s so lovely to see them all finally together - from the order I ended up drawing them in, they almost show a timeline of how my style has developed over the past year. Now to finish series three!
Prints are available as a bundle here or individually in my Etsy store.
so, uh, not only did this turn out gayer than expected, but it also left me with the dawning realisation that if we follow stolen earth/journey’s end metacrisis doctor logic…. pandora may or may not have taken over the capitol completely butt ass naked and honestly that’s a power move
Today marks one year since I started my Gallifrey project! Thank you to everyone who has liked, reblogged, or bought prints of my art! You are the friendliest and most welcoming fandom I’ve ever been part of and your support means so very much to me ❤️
I can’t interact much on this account as it’s a sideblog, but if you ever see a like/reblog from @leia-stark - that’s me!
Please do not repost or use my art without my permission!
POV you’ve almost been impeached as president but first you gotta go confront a man about his illegal art collection and maybe kick his butt a little, which outfit do you pick for the occasion?
Yes this was a thinly veiled excuse to draw Romana in Earth fashion
This has been a bit of an experiment but I’m happy with how it’s turned out!
I’m not a fan of Braxiatel and Romana II as a romantic pairing, but I love the chemistry between Braxiatel and Romana I in this episode and the moment where he holds her before she regenerates is such a stand out scene for me :D
I totally misremembered how this episode plays out. For some reason, I forgot that Leela ran to get help and thought she sawWynter become the Broken Man. I’m glad she didn’t because poor bby is going to go through enough without seeing that but that’s where the idea for this cover came from.
My dear ✨Gallifrey fans✨ I need your help! I’ve just had an idea for another Gallifrey cover but it involves multiple future incarnations of Romana after Juliet Landau. So I thought it’d be fun to ask you all to drop a comment below if you have any fancasts or actors/actresses you’d like to see play Romana in the future!
I don’t have a fancast for Romana but Romana III in the edas is inspired by Louise Brooks
Thank you everyone for your suggestions! This is the sketch thus far I still have a couple left to draw from the comments and one more of my own, but after that I still have three regenerations to fill to bring it up to the traditional thirteen so do keep your ideas coming!
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I made Braxiatel, Romana, and Narvin from unmodified LEGO parts. Leela’s arms are swapped, her legs are custom printed, and her loincloth (which I hand-painted) is from @brickwarriors
So I just finished the newest season of Doctor Who and I can’t help but feel that the Master is not only insane, bloodthirsty, and reckless, but also completely suicidal. He wants to die. He craves death. The way he eggs the Doctor on, begging her to detonate the Death Particle. The way his face falls when she doesn’t. He always seems to come back, every time we think he’s gone. I bet every time he faces death he desperately wishes that it will actually be permanent this time. Every time he comes back he gets angrier, he goes a little more mad, he gets even more desperate for death. Because whatever force is controlling everything just won’t let him die. And he resents it. All that resentment just builds and builds. So he takes it out on the Doctor’s Earth, the Doctor’s friends, the Doctor’s own planet. He pushes her and pushes her in hopes that one day she’ll snap. That she’ll finally finish the job and end his misery.
this is my 4th attempt at this doll; i think i have finally got enough of a likeness!
here he is doing his best villain impression (he hopes you are suitably impressed) from the Timeless Children episode, with Gallifrey still smoldering behind him.
outfit adapted from @bigchiefstudiosofficial and mattel parts with HT shoes and body, TCE from @scarecrowprops on insta, and of course!!! digital headsculpt from @modernwizard 3d printed by @beetleboo
