The Logan is the Orange Side theory has been making the rounds after the new episode, for obvious reasons, and I’ve seen it enough that I felt the need to push back against it.
I am not trying to harass or insult anyone who believes this theory, and if it turns out to be true I will graciously eat the crow I ordered. But in the meantime, part of theorizing is arguing for and against fan theories, and where this one is concerned I am firmly against.
So, without further ado, here’s 5 reasons why Logan is being influenced by the Orange Side, and is not the Orange Side himself:
That’s Not How the Dark Sides Work
Dark Sides aren’t actually defined by being “dark”- “The Dark Sides” is a nickname Roman gave them and Virgil consistently corrects it to the Others- nor are they inherently different from the Core Sides. What makes the Dark Sides different is that Thomas views them differently; they’re sides he would “prefer not to know about”. What makes a Dark Side a Dark Side is Janus having hidden them away because Thomas didn’t want to accept them as himself, and any other shared qualities are either incidental or ultimately stem from that rejection.
Logan can’t just lose it and decide to be a Dark Side, because who is and is not a Dark Side is ultimately up to Thomas, and Thomas already knows and accepts Logan (and yes, Orange is a Dark Side- he was grouped with them in the svsr thumbnail). Instead, Logan going off the deep end himself would likely turn him into something more like LilyPadton. Even if Thomas suddenly decided he wanted to completely reject Logan- and I cannot see Thomas going that far- it wouldn’t spontaneously turn him into a different Side, it would just make him a Logic who wasn’t accepted.
The other option is for Orange to be some sort of suppressed alter-ego of Logan’s, which he would flip to when sufficiently angered/stressed. This would make Orange a Dark Side as he would have been hidden away from Thomas, but it also goes completely against the established worldbuilding. When Thomas decided to accept one part of Creativity and reject another, it resulted in Creativity splitting “into two parts during [Thomas’] development… Like an ovum.” Following that logic (ha), if there were a Dark Side counterpart to Logic, he should be Logan’s twin, not a Jeckyl-and-Hyde-esque alter-ego or Logan-but-orange.
It Messes Up the Rainbow
Remember this shirt?
There’s a flower for each Side, with a field of cherry blossoms underneath to represent Thomas. One flower corresponds to one color, which in turn corresponds to one Side.
Yoo this is so cool and I agree 100%!! Not to rain on the parade of the theorists who think Logan is Orange, you guys do you and have fun! But I personally believe it’s a bit more like OP says!
Mostly because of continuity… and Virgil.
At the end of SvS Virgil tells Thomas to never let Deceit or any of his friendS (plural) hang out for that long ever again. This indicates there IS another side (or more who knows! lol probably not but still more than 1) besides Remus who is coming that Virgil has met before.
At the same time, at the end of Moving On Part 2 Virgil also sort of freaks out about Logan disappearing on them and tells him not to do that again.
I just think that if Logan was Orange, well Virgil would be a lot more defenssive towards him and would definetely not freak out when he was gone in Moving On. Of course there’s the possibility of Logan having an alter ego like OP says, but that contradicts the TSS rules stablished earlier. So yeah! Marvelous arguments OP!
Also please give us another dark side, yes I am ready to draw the little carrot bastard. Thanks.
What if in the next Sanders Sides video Thomas starts treating Virgil differently because of what was revealed at the end of Dealing with Intrusive Thoughts?
What if Logan and Roman treat him the same as they did before, and are possibly even nicer to him because of Thomas’s shift in opinion?
What if Patton doesn’t call him “kiddo” or a fun nickname and doesn’t look at him the same?
What if Logan has to get tough with Thomas and Patton for being so rude to Virgil? (“He’s the same as he was before. So, why scrutinize him for events prior to getting to know him?”)
What if Roman has to comfort Virgil because he knows what Remus is like, and can understand the pain Virgil must’ve went through when he was a dark side?
What if the last clip is Deceit teasing Virgil because of this and tells him, “We both knew this would happen. We both knew the moment they found out, everything would change.”?
What if Virgil actually believes him?
Just some thoughts.
you stop right there-
Shi-
Omg what if this is what sets Virgil over the edge and converts him back into a bad side. What if virge just gives into his delusions and it’s all down hill and edge from here like in Hamilton
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Stop this or I will stab you
What if Virgil and Thomas are arguing and Virgil starts doing that thing where his voice is layered and deep and super loud and it scares Thomas really badly? What if the light sides stop him and get mad at him for being so aggressive with Thomas? What if Deceit appears to help comfort Thomas and Virgil feels out of place and he sinks away and no one notices until a long while later, when Thomas has calmed down? What if then Thomas realizes that he shouldn’t have reacted poorly to Virgils confession and he can feel Virgils presence but no body can summon Virgil and they don’t know why or where he went?????????
I love the moment in DwIT when Thomas is trying to explain himself and the following exchange happens;
Thomas: “Virgil, I don’t want to do what he says!”
Virgil: “You mean you don’t want to act on what you think!”
Logan: “Virgil, enough.”
Remus: “Ugh, here we go, Virgil. Looks like Logan has reached his ‘listening to others’ limit for the day!”
I love this so much because it’s obvious that Remus is trying to separate Virgil from the others by playing to their weaknesses. Logan often doesn’t listen to the others, and even though in this situation he’s right, Virgil is still frustrated by him. He plays to Virgils weaknesses often. Like, when Logan reveals that Virgil is partially at fault for Thomas being so distraught and getting no sleep, Remus says, “Despite his best efforts, Virgil could never stop being the bad guy!” Which effectively makes Virgil feel at fault.
Did you notice how quiet and reserved Virgil is that whole video? How defensive he becomes at times? How many times you see a shot of him, standing silently and scowling at Remus?
(This is such an old draft I wrote but I never post on this blog and I feel like this can’t stay in the drafts. Clearly I was going feral over this for some reason.)
Hi I just spent a really long time working on a post about Romans behaviour in SVS2 and it didn’t save so now I’m either going to rewrite the whole thing (it was a two parter) or jump off a building. Stay tuned.
What if Virgil and Deceit were siblings like Roman and Remus?
hear me out: re and ro split from creativity, right? because of thomas’ ideas of right and wrong? well, what if dee and xixi were split from self preservation?
virgil’s job is protecting thomas from himself. he stops him from doing dangerous things like, say, running im the rain and pushes him to get his work done on time. he also helps define (push) thomas’ sense of reality, asking all sorts of questions and creating situations that force the others (mainly logan) to reason through them and point out what isn’t reasonable.
deceit’s job is protecting thomas from others. lying to keep people from isolating and/or hurting him, mentally and physically - like, say, staying in the closet until it‘s safe to come out. he lies to help thomas take care of himself, like getting out of an event politely to take some time to himself. then there’s lying to protect relationships; little white lies like “you look amazing in that dress!” not “i have no clue why your dog is sick,” of course. he also can’t do his job - or at least, not well - without a well-defined sense of reality. think about it, would you believe it if your friend told you they were late because a unicorn was blocking the road? probably not, because even if it is true, it’s out of your sense of reality. the others help protect thomas, yes, but not to such an extreme. these two are based in protecting him, the same way roman and remus are the main creative ones, as they’re based in thomas’ creativity.
honestly, this started as an excuse for brotherly anxceit, but now i’m invested. anyone got more ideas?
I’ve been thinking about this for so long because of their colours, but I had no idea what they would have split from!
Ok gonna take a stab at this because there’s a bit more here than meets the eye!
Hello! I’m back with another theory that probably reads way too much into things!
Today’s analysis is Janus’ Patreon art! I‘ll attempt to interpret the art based on what we know.
And what we know is that Janus runs the Patreon page! So that means that Janus is behind the eerie style and aesthetic of the art!
Based on that, we can actually interpret that the designs are all Janus’ point of view! Meaning that each piece is how he interprets the sides!
And we can come to the conclusion that what Janus sees in all the sides is the things they want to hide about themselves. He is the liar, he knows when they lie.
So, let’s take a quick look at each piece!
DISCLAIMER! All art is available to everyone on the Patreon page! This is not exclusive Patreon art. You can see it all here for free!
All theories are my own interpretation & can be interpreted in any other way, this is merely guessing based on what I know. Feel free to add to this.
All art credit goes to James von Hollen and Thomas Sanders
I hope you enjoyed reading my theories!!
This. I love this. Its such a solid take, and perfectly described for every side.
I’m gonna be honest, I haven’t seen the illustrations for the sides themselves before, but here’s my take
All your theories just make sense even when analyzing the sides themselves.
We know Logan sees himself as very smart, often making comments about being smarter than the others, and it would just make sense for him to not like the aspect of not knowing something.
We literally got a whole episode and little scenes about Patton writing off the bad emotions to keep the good ones. He’s literally closing his heart away while still trying to be as open as possible. And I think the heart being in Glas just makes so much sense like you said! It’s protected but everyone can still see it clear.
Personally I like Roman’s one the most! It’s such a big contrast to just everything about him but at the same time it describes him perfectly. A big crown for a big ego, on a pillow to be protected, like you said. But yes, we know he and Remus were one side once, which means it just makes sense for one to still have “something” of the other. Honestly I love how that was illustrated!
I honestly think Virgil’s looks the most unsettling. I don’t know, something about the button eyes and the way it’s just, sitting, there gives me a weird vibe. But honestly, that just fits to Virgil again, doesn’t it? Yes he is accepted, and the lights sides all are friends with him, but at the same time, there’s more to Virgil than we know, that also being shown as the “do not touch” part, Virgil doesn’t really open up about anything unless it’s essential to Thomas. And that’s the whole point of anything with a do not touch sign, only open in emergencies.
Ahh, Remus’ one is very cool, very very cool. Just like his character! A locked box means something is chosen to be hidden, check, exactly what’s up with remus character and why he was introduced so late. The box is slowly opening, a hand grabbing for the key, which like you said, maybe Janus put there, which would make a lot of sense. We know Janus is the main factor of stuff being hidden from Thomas, and in Forbidden fruit we got to know that Janus was the one to tell Remus about Thomas wanting to be honest with himself and no longer hiding the “ugliness within himself”, Janus basically “opened” the way for Remus to appear in the Video and wreak havoc, here being shown in something breaking out of the box. Something I find very peculiar about this one tho, is that Roman’s illustration has a lot to do with Remus, the crown is black and there’s a green star. But Remus’ illustration has nothing to do with Roman. This might show that Janus knows about Roman still being emotionally connected to the split, and Remus just not, which would make sense for their personalities! Roman’s creativity is very “child like” but long term, stuff Thomas dreams about for a long time, ideas he has for now and the future, but Remus’ creativity is the complete opposite, “gruesome” and short term, very in the moment thoughts that come and go in seconds time.
And yes, Janus just showing parts of himself, meaning he doesn’t want you to see everything, it makes perfect sense. Until recently we thought Janus was a “villain”, until he revealed his name and showed a more playful side to himself. He’s a liar, he knows how to set an image of oneself to others, I mean he tried to impersonate the others! He knows how to act to get a certain reaction out of someone, and him not showing everything of himself just makes perfect sense.
So yes, I think your theories make perfect sense and I really like them :>
Smol Theory Time: Ok, there’s one thing that always stuck with me in SvS, when Deceit calls Logan to the stand, and Logan asks why didn’t they get him in the first place, it’s a courtroom scenario? Deceit lies and says ‘Patton insisted we leave you alone’ and in that SPLIT SECOND Logan actually believes him! He turns to Patton with surprise on his face, but why? Logan should be smarter than that to believe Deceit?
What if that means that one of Logan’s fears is being rejected by Patton because he takes Patton’s morality seriously, even if he doesn’t act like he likes Patton most of the time. Logan can usually call falsehood on Deceit, but this one time? Yikes.
I think that Logan is Deceit’s biggest obstacle in his plan to do whatever it is he’s going to do in the season finale. If Deceit can isolate Logan and possibly tell him a lie that would cause him to step away (duck out), it would leave Virgil, Roman and Patton exposed and vulnerable to Remus’ suggestions.
For instance, a lie might be Patton saying he ‘doesn’t trust Logan’s logic.’ Logan respects Patton’s opinion above all else. Because of Thomas’ moral way of living. So if ‘Patton’ tells Logan that he’s not making sense anymore, and with Remus encouraging Logan with ‘who do you really wanna scream…at?’, Logan might get fed up and leave.
So it’s possible that Deceit’s next move will be to appear as Patton again. I think Patton is the key to Deceit dismantling the light side hierarchy. If Deceit (as Patton) can convince Logan he’s not needed and unimportant, and Roman that he’s not creative or useful, Virgil might be the only hope left to see through the BS.
