WHAT IF Steve went back in time did his thing had his date with Peggy and THEN he did try to save Bucky from Hydra and prevent the suffering BUT that messed with the sacred timeline he got picked up by the TVA like loki was?? And WHAT IF Old Steve is just a TVA agent of some sort and the shield was from like the pile of junk similar to the paper weight infinity stone situation
I’m so behind on Loki because I’m watching it with my bf and we haven’t seen each other in weeks and I have seen SO many spoilers already even though I blocked the tag and I NEED TO WATCH IT
So after seeing Dr Strange, I’m guessing these are the rules for variants in the multivurse?
Peter Parker: are you a high schooler with dead parents? Kinda nerdy but with a good heart? Brown hair, brown eyes? Refuse to seek medical care after spider bites? Congrats, you’re a Peter Parker!
Loki: You like knives and the colour green? Fuck it, you’re a Loki. Gender? What gender? Doesn’t matter. You’re a Loki. Black, white, or blue? Don’t care, still a Loki. Old? Young? Loki. Black, blond, ginger hair? Stick something shiny and vaguely pointy on it, BOOM, Loki. What’s this? An alligator? You green? See above. Loki.
There seems to be a complete misunderstanding of why people who didn’t like the Loki show, didn’t like it. I keep seeing people saying that we didn’t want a redemption arc, or didn’t want him to have to do the “Hard work” of redemption. Which is wrong. But what we did want is a Loki who didn’t start out at the beginning as “He’s just evil.” We wanted the show to address the trauma which led to his character in the first place.
We wanted Loki to retain his core personality traits of intelligence, wit, and self control.
We don’t think he is perfect and unflawed, we know he did some horrific things. But we wanted him to stop being blamed for all the things he did not do. He did not kill his mother, nor was he in anyway responsible for her death. Thor brought Jane to Asgard, Odin refused to treat her. It was Malikith not the cursed who traced the aether to Frigga’s rooms. Hell Loki didn’t even send the cursed after Thor because how was he to know where Thor was at that moment?
Loki did not cause Ragnarok. That was caused solely by Odin and Hela. Putting Odin in a nursing home didn’t kill him and the old bastard had aa thousand years to warn them and set up some kind of way to deal with it but he couldn’t tell his kids what lay in store for them because he was maintaining yet another lie.
Even in Avenger’s when he is an out of control bad guy he gets the blame for the collapse of the building which killed 70 odd agents which he did not cause.
Also we didn’t like that he suddenly became as physically weak as a human, lost all of his fighting skill, forgot how to use his magic except in random bursts which made little sense. He lost all of his physical grace, because wildly exaggerated in expression and reaction and movement, and his voice didn’t even sound like Loki for most of the show.
We didn’t like the other versions of himself be the worst and most shallow interpretation of the character possible and the one character who wasn’t, Old Loki, was dressed like Kermit the frog and made to spout Glorious Purpose so his death was more sad clown then pathos.
We didn’t like how Loki’s “therapy” was Mobius manipulating him, threatening him with death, physically abusing him and that was somehow painted as “Friendship.” And Loki, master manipulator himself not only fell for it, but was so happy for the few crumbs of praise and affection Mobius tossed at him he immediately calls Mobius his friend right after Mobius let him out of the prison where he was kicked and slapped and told he was shit over and over. The prison Mobius put him in for trying to get away from an organization that was bent on killing him.
We didn’t like how he was constantly upstaged by Sylvie, who could have been an interesting character, if they hadn’t decided to paint her as perfect and powerful and better then every one else, even from childhood. Oh but she doesn’t trust people! How the fuck is that a flaw when everyone is trying to kill you?
We don’t like how every black character is deceitful, or evil or brutal. How the Asian characters are window dressing or clueless.
We didn’t like the complete un resolution of the final show which had a totally new character monologuing for half its run on how everything that came before was a lie.
This show could have taken the same basic plot and with a few minor tweaks it would have been fantastic. They could have acknowledged Loki’s trauma. Mobius could have been a real friend and not just one more abusive asshole using Loki for his own purpose. We could have been given background on Sylvie to show her as a frightened little girl on the run and build empathy for her. We could have had Loki face his terrible choices in the light of why he did them and realize revenge is not the way without him acting like an idiot. We could have had Loki taking the blame for the evil he did do without having to take the blame for what he didn’t. How about for one not once again saying that being lied to is fine, being betrayed is fine, but if you retaliate you are evil. They could have had maybe one white character be the one who was the bad guy. Old Loki could have had a bad ass costume. The genderfluid baiting could have been acknowledged with one or two lines instead of denied with a show of horrified misogyny. Loki’s magic could have been used logically and consistently not randomly dropped into the plot. Instead of the DB Cooper throw away scene, they could have shown two of the TVA people wrestling a IDK T-Rex down a hall to show that they were super powered. They could have foreshadowed Kang’s appearance and had bits of his story dropped through out the series and not do a boring info dump at the end.
That is why the people who hate the show hate it. Not because Loki kissed Sylvie instead of Mobius. Not because Sylvie is a bad ass. Not because we don’t want to see Loki face up to his evil choices and do the hard work of redemption.
But because we don’t want once again to be told, kiss the ass of those who treat you wrong. Don’t fight against those who would put you down. Your anger is not acceptable no matter the provocation. You are not a good victim therefore we will not address the injustice done to you. The people in authority did this for your own good, be grateful.
Right. Also (and this ties into the show acknowledging the actual bad things Loki did) we didn’t want the reasons for Loki’s breakdown ignored and retconned. He didn’t have a violent suicidal breakdown because he wanted a throne and threw a tantrum when he didn’t get one. He had a violent suicidal breakdown because he was lied to his whole life and raised to hate his own people and then found out the truth and couldn’t cope with that because he wanted to be “good” and didn’t want to be a “monster” and was desperately trying to prove to his family that he could still be worthy of being one of them. (And this came on the heels of literal centuries of resentment and hurt built up due to his consistent mistreatment).
The show could have acknowledged that by having him deal with his Jotun heritage and come to accept it and himself (you know. the self love arc we were promised but never received) and actually interact with other Jotnar as part of this arc. Because the people he owes an apology to are not Odin or other Asgardians. The people he actually needs absolution from are the Jotnar that were hurt due to his actions (which stemmed from Odin mistreating him and brainwashing him). But no one on the show wants to deal with that because 1) none of them seem to actually know anything about Loki’s backstory bc they did no research and 2) saying Loki was wrong to try to kill Jotnar means that Thor was wrong to slaughter dozens of them and that Odin was wrong to raise his sons believing that the Jotnar were monsters who deserved to be slaughtered even though he knew his son was one. And the show is insistent on painting Loki as evil by nature and a burden on his wonderful family who have done nothing wrong.
Another other actually bad thing Loki did was get several guards and Jotnar killed when he allowed the Jotnar into the vault. This is a morally grey decision. However, again it doesn’t get acknowledged because the reason WHY Loki did this is 1) he was desperate to save lives by delaying Thor’s coronation and thus preventing a war (same reason Thor fought Hela) and felt this was his only option since no one would listen to or respect him and 2) he loved Thor far too much to try to replace him permanently by taking action to displace him from the line of succession long term or killing him. I mean, killing Thor would’ve solved all the problems permanently and resulted in the fewest lost lives - just one - and given that Thor trusted Loki implicitly in Thor 2011 Loki could have easily arranged this. However he would never do that. Also, Thor and Odin don’t seem that broken up about the deaths of the guards because to them the guards are beneath them. So again, this actual bad action gets glossed over in favor of blaming Loki for things he didn’t do like trying to “steal” the throne.
Because god forbid Loki get acknowledged as complex or interesting or in any way sympathetic or well meaning in his own damn show that’s supposed to be all about exploring his identity (another complete lie). They could’t even bother to do basic research. Mike Waldron said in an interview that Odin killed Laufey and the little hologram of “Jotun Loki” is just Tom badly photoshopped blue because they forgot that the Jotnar have skin ridges and also is dressed in Asgardian armor which makes no sense.
