#the truth
Ok, so yesterday was a day.
I am still reeling of a lot of it, which is why I have not been able to do a transcription of the panel (although the ones I’ve reblogged, made by other people, are very accurate and their only “fault” is not being in my head to know why I had some troubles translating Guillermo’s long answers as he spoke too quickly and too passionately so I had to paraphrase rather than translate literally as I did with the shorter answers, and at some points, I admit my short term memory may have failed me)
I am trying to get the panel off the facebook page to put it on my youtube (With permission from Harlecon’s organizer, Harleyquinnarts, whom you should all follow in Instagram and follow Harlecon on facebook because she’s amazing and made this possible by giving us the space to have the panel. BTW, I have heard that there IS a version already on youtube? If it is, please, please, please, put a link back to Harlecon on it, yes? These small cons deserve all our support)
I am ALSO trying to contact Adrian Fogarty, the dubbing director (NOT the translator, as some people are mis-reporting) who is, in the end, the one who has the answers as to where the hell the “Me too” came from.
Which is the missreporting I;ve seen going around, and which I need to adress.
During the panel, Mr. Rojas went from talking about the “Original” Script to the “DUB” Original Script without making it obvious that there was a different. Understand, for MOST actors, when they talk about the Original Script, they’re NOT talking about the Original English Script. They don’t get that. They get the Original TRANSLATED script, which can be then FURTHER changed by them or the director in order to fit cadence, and lip sync.
And yes, we come again to my old nemesis, lip sync.
So he said that the original script said “Me Too”, as a reply to Cas’s “I love you”, and THEN Alejandro Fogarty, who has a TON of experience adapting on the fly, and is a very respected dubbing director, changed it to “And I you,Cas” because it fit better Dean’s lip movements.
This DOESN’T mean that Fogarty ADDED the Me Too. IT WAS on the Original DUB Script that Guillermo was reading.
He said that Dean didn’t reciprocate Castiel’s words too, but that was AFTER he said he didn’t HEAR what Dean originally said (Which, granted, could be him misremembering as he admitted he had a bad short term memory). This is not to say that he lied when he said Dean didn’t reciprocate, but that that’ts the reason why two different versions of what he said may be running around. This was when I said that then we had to ask Fogarty about the origin of the dub script “Me Too” as he’d probably be the one who knows.
He also said that while it was a surprise, that the writers had been very subtle creating the story between Dean and Castiel, and that it made SENSE.
There are a few things I could say here about voice actor culture, but I won’t as it could muddy the issue and I want to wait until I finish the transcription.
What he corrected from my previous assumptions was that there was no Warner Bros quality control. They finish dubbing, then send it to air and as far as HE knows, there’s no WB exec checking the files. He admitted he might be wrong on that, but it’s more probable that he’s right. So IF the “Me too” was added, there would be no final check to stop it. HOWEVER, there has been no request to RE-Dub the line, so we can assume that, now that the horse is out of the barn, WB and CW don’t really care that, in Mexico and LataM, Dean Winchester is bisexual, canonically.
Which brings us back to the REAL question: Where did that Me Too came from?
Now, I want to make clear this I DON’T BELIEVE THERE’S A BIG CW CONSPIRACY TO KEEP DEAN STRAIGHT. What I do believe is that, due to a bunch of mismanagement of the series, PR, confusion of what their demography is, old-boys club mentality AND good ol’ network censorship, they may have ended up accidentally creating the ILLUSION of one.
And to be honest, I preffer to know the ACTUAL truth, which could very well be a rogue dub director (Which, if you check my previous posts, was a possibility I raised, that if there HAD been a rogue dub translator, the director HAD to be on it too), or a different audio version sent from the US.
I’ve seen script captures from the Original English Script that were leaked, and there Dean doesn’t reply ANYTHING. Not “Me too”, not “Don’t do this, CAs”. HE just goes 404,File not found, Being Loved by an angel, doesn’t compute.
So we know that DEan’s answer in english was Ad libbed by Jensen.
However, we also know that Jensen had to re-record some lines.
So he could’ve ad-libbed again, something different (Either by choice, or by the director’s request. I frankly don’t know nor care. I just assume that there were two different readings and the “wrong” one was sent to the Latam Translator. Wrong here to mean “not the one that aired in the US”)
And the only way we’re going to get closer to which was it, is asking the dub director, which is what I am trying to do. And I do hope that by now, you trust me enough to know that, IF the answer was “Oh, yeah, we decided that it was more logical” , I’ll tell you straight (Or, you know, organize another panel so that you hear it from the horse’s mouth just as I did with Guillermo Rojas)
Also, yes, Guillermo didn’t say the words “I ship Destiel” or “I am a Heller”. However, he DID say that the ending of the arc of Dean and Castiel having a love story was the closing of the series, that Dean reciprocating Cas’s feelings made it make sense and that it was beautiful. So he is a heller, in spirit if not in name.
ETA: I had to fix Adrian Fogarty’s name as someone pointed out I wrote “Alejandro Fogarty” and this proves that I need at least a week of sleep as this show has broken my brain.
msr | post s9 | words: 1,060
“C’mon, Scully,” He urges with a boyish grin that’s impossible to find on other men in their forties, “just close your eyes and follow me.”
“Mulder, be reasonable,” she chides while extending a hand to grab a hold onto the hem of his t-shirt, “I don’t wanna trip.”
“You won’t,” he promises and reaches behind to grab her hand. “Here, hold onto my hand. We don’t need a blindfold, do we? No peeking, Scully.”
“Just walk slow.”
How did Mulder and Scully get from being on the run at the end of “The Truth” to living in a house together while Scully is working in a hospital at the start of “I Want to Believe?” This fic explains it with an emotional depth that’s very compelling and fitting for these two characters and their deep, entangled history.
Title:Compass
Author: SeemaG (@seemaunbound)
Summary: The truth was a harsh compass. Post series, pre-XF2 movie.
Length: 21,324 words
Classification:Post-series
Rating: Teen and up
Spoilers: The Truth, I Want to Believe
Favorite line: They were in constant orientation and orbit, moving to and from, always finding their way, sometimes together, but always alone.
Read the story!
Here are some very good X-Files fics involving the OG series finale “The Truth.” Many, but not all, of the fics involve Mulder and Scully being on the run after that episode. Enjoy!
There are SO MANY fics involving “The Truth” that they’re behind a cut.
5 A.M.by@kateyes224
Five times Scully found herself awake at 5 a.m., and the one time she wasn’t alone.
Among Momentary Daysby Innisfree
Mulder and Scully, one night in North Carolina, sitting on a porch, after three years on the run.
Backlash by Joann Humby
Mulder and Scully are still on the run but time’s running out.
The birth of somethingby@frangipanidownunder
It’s post The Truth/pre ITWB. It’s full-on angst.
blood on the first four knuckles by audries(@kennedyandheidi)
they’ve been in the self-contained microcosm of the car for too long. even small worlds have to end.
Breathe Againby@blackcoffeeandteardrops
They don’t talk. Until finally, at least a little, they do. A brief MSR moment of solace while they’re on the run.
A Cabin in the Woodsby@leiascully
Mulder and Scully, on the run, stay for a while in a cabin in the mountains in Montana. A series of interlacing vignettes.
The Christmas Seriesby Forte and Diana Battis
Each chapter is set Christmas Day or Christmas Eve 2001-2006
Compassby SeemaG(@seemaunbound)
The truth was a harsh compass. Post series, pre-XF2 movie.
Curing the Soulby@lilydalexf
Picking up the morning after “The Truth” ends, Mulder and Scully spend some time in their motel room. For as few clothes as they are wearing, they sure talk a lot.
Day Trippingby diehard and ArtemisX5
Life on the run and a change in attitude
the definitions of homeby skuls(@ghostbustermelanieking)
Mulder and Scully, on the road.
A Dim Capacity for Wingsby Aloysia_Virgata(@aloysiavirgata)
Mulder and Scully on the run, pre-IWTB.
The Discount Aisleby@invidiosa
a post-Valentine’s ficlet
Fall On Your Kneesby@scullyitsme
“Poets always say things like the snow fell silently,” Mulder said, his voice low and sleepy. Melting into her ears like warm honey, his breath tickling her neck as he leaned down to speak to her in the dark, “But it’s not totally silent. Snow has a sound.”
Fireflies in the Gardenby@mldrgrl
Some post-The Truth angst on a summer evening
First Few Desperate Hoursby all_these_ghosts(@all-these-ghosts)
“He’s not sure the road that brought them here is on any map.” On the road and in the shadows with Mulder & Scully.
The First Night of The Rest of Our Livesby msrstarlight
Based on the fact that during The Truth (Part Two), Mulder and Scully escape the military prison wearing one set of clothes, but arrive in New Mexico wearing another set of clothes. So this fic is set during that drive and, in my guess, night in a motel.
A Flutter of Hope by a_steady_wish
His soft hand on her shoulder seemed to physically ease her pain. Scully sighed and relaxed into his touch. She loved Mulder so much – this brilliant, impossible man of hers – that it hurt, and also healed.
Forgive meby@baronessblixen
Set after “The Truth”
Forty-Twoby Emma Brightman
(No summary)
Ghosts seriesby Anjou
An early December 2002 tale, originally supposed to be a drabble, totally spun out of control. A post-series ‘what if’ where Mulder was irrevocably altered, replicants were the new reality, and the clock was ticking down to 2012.
held afloatby@kittenscully
And there’s his jaw, scratchy and sweet, nudging against her cheekbone, a kiss pressed to her temple and then to the corner of her eye. His big hands framing her ribs. She’d waited in the car while he got their room key, but with the windows rolled down and the lobby door open, she’d heard him call her his wife. [in which Scully carries the ocean, even through the desert.]
Home, Homeby@onpaperfirst
where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day
A Home Placeby@sigritandtheelves
a year or so after “The Truth”
Housewarmingby@leiascully
A walk in the woods near the unremarkable house; a fall night; a fire in the fireplace.
Jump the Broomstickby Timeless_Tides
One evening, several months after Mulder and Scully go on the run, the reality of their new lives is starting to wear on them. Following an honest conversation, they decide to take back some control and do something that makes them both laugh. Warning: story contains half a measure of pre-fluff angst, a sprinkling of mushiness and (hopefully) a dash of humour.
KM4596by@lepus-arcticus
(No summary)
Life with Mulder andDitto by Elsie
She can’t withhold anything from him except that which is important. / He’ll do anything he can to satisfy her, to keep her around, but he can’t tell her the truth.
Manistiqueby@all-these-ghosts
She thinks this must be what sunlight tastes like: the bright and the tang and the sweetness.
Mexican Lamentby KatyBlue
Where did Mulder and Scully go?
Modern-Day Bonnie & Clydeby Blueswirl
E-Muse Writer’s Block “He Said/She Said” Challenge
N+1by@scienceandmysticism
“One lonely night”, he said. Which one, though? Mulder and Scully speculate.
Nebraskaby Emma Brightman
A late night diner trip provides Doggett with some unexpected clarity.
No Dominionby@lilydalexf
Through death, they lived and loved.
Objects in Mirror by Lauren Belmont
They have ten years.
One & Only, First & Lastby@onpaperfirst
(No summary)
Only The Essentialsby DanaFox1013
Only the essentials. The words repeat like a mantra in her head. She only has a few hours and a single bag. It’s not enough to contain the products of a life.
Pavlov’s Moonby Scarlet (@flexiblefish)
Mulder and Scully have been living apart, in different states, for six years, which doesn’t mean they’re still not part of each other’s lives. Co-dependency’s a bitch.
piles of leavesby skuls(@ghostbustermelanieking)
A small family looks for a home.
A Place To Rest, Full Of Light by TLynn
A quiet holiday moment between our favorite duo.
The Practice of Runningby SeemaG (@seemaunbound)
There are many ways to disappear
Push-and-Goby@lotsoforangesoutside
MSR. Post season 9
Redemption Day, Pushing Dust, and Blues and Bellsby afg
Long time no see. / Nothing lasts forever.
Residencyby@dashakay
The house is old, half-falling apart. There’s nothing particularly remarkable about the small white house, besides needing a coat of paint. But it’s their house. Theirs. Home.
Road Markersby anythingbutgrey
There are anniversaries she can’t shake. Dates have, over the years, many years, worked their way into her mind as an internal clock.
the second law of motionby@seek-its-opposite
What she’d like to tell herself is that she wouldn’t have believed it, 10 years ago, if you told her this would be how she and Mulder would fall off the edge of the world: watching paint dry.
The Storm by Bonetree
An ending, and a beginning.
Submergeby@slippinmickeys
Post-The Truth
These Things Keep Us From Sinking by anythingbutgrey
It takes until morning to speak again, but every time, one of them will say, “You can’t die first.”
thievesby@catarinquar
post-the truth. they’re on the run, hiding out in yet another motel.
Togetherby starwalker42(@bitshortforastormtrooper)
“I’m never leaving you again.” Scully hadn’t realised how badly she needed to hear those words. He’s staying. He’s staying forever. “Prove it,” she whispers.
Triangulation by Leyenn
He finally tracks them down in Oxford in mid-October.
Untitledby@frangipanidownunder
Mulder and Scully always leave little notes for each other around the office
Untitledby@mldrgrl
(No summary)
Untitledby@scully-loves-ruthie
(No summary)
Untitled: Scenes for Quiescenceby Jesemie’s Evil Twin
Post-“The Truth”
utahby@catarinquar
post-the truth, on the run from everyone and everything, but slowly creeping back towards each other
Waking Hours andDreaming Hours by 6hoursgirl (@sixhours)
Five times Scully woke up with Mulder, and one time she didn’t.
We Have to Talk About Williamby@mldrgrl
Mulder and Scully post-The Truth and the title pretty much says the rest.
a weatherman to know which way the wind blowsby zauberer_sirin(@becketted)
These are not all the ways and whys and hows Mulder loves Scully, just some. In reverse. Big pile of fluff ahead.
White Inkby Bonetree
In December 2012, a battered Mulder, Scully and William know there’s much more at stake than just the end of the world.
Wilson River Roadby Aloysia_Virgata (@aloysiavirgata)
“No, the journey doesn’t end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it.” —J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
Worth Its Constancyby DarlaBlack (@sigritandtheelves)
Mulder and Scully have not been alone together for a very long time. What happens when they stop at their first motel on the way to New Mexico?
The Wrong End of the Telescopeby@agirlcallednarelle
Life is lonely after almost three years on the run together. Scully is trying to hold it together, but finding it more and more difficult.
You’re the Light in My Deepest, Darkest Hourby anythingbutgrey
There’s not enough time, and he is the worst scratched CD, catching on the most insignificant of supplications.
Post link
the days are getting harder to swallow
my dreams are getting harder to follow
my breasts are sagging further
my vagina is becoming needier
my mind is begging for my subconscious to shut the fuck up
because these unknown memories are making my eyes water
in public
i’m stuck on the cycle mode of fuck and abuse
jesus keeps adding quarters to the machine
but today he doesn’t have any more change
jesus is all out of change
jesus cannot feed my machine
now i’m just stuck.
I don’t want to replace the binary with a trinary I want people to finally stop shitting their pants and crying when someone blurs the lines between men and women. When someone is both. When someone is something more complicated than that. These have always existed and always will please god get over it
celebrities will really be like “i am non-binary” and people will just ignore it
gerard way will literally be like “i used to dress in women’s clothes at school and i really enjoyed it” “i don’t really identify with masculinity and i have considered myself to be a trans girl” “this self-insert character i created and portrayed in a series of music videos is a non-binary lesbian” and people will just be like “oh yeah gerard is a man, he’s male. definitely of a masculine gender”
janelle monae has come out as non-binary, publicly, in magazine interviews, TWICE now and ppl are like oh yeah! janelle is a woman. she’s female. 100% womyn
BILLIE JOE ARMSTRONG WILL LITERALLY WRITE A SONG ABOUT HOW HES BEEN CROSSDRESSING FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE AND WEAR THONGS ON STAGE AND SOMEONE WROTE “BILLIE JOE IS ACTUALLY A CUTE YOUNG LESBIAN” ON HIS ASS ONE TIME AND PEOPLE WILL BE LIKE WOW THAT SURE IS A MALE DAD
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“ When someone is Exiting a relationship ”- Matthew Hussey #shorts
Not so friendly reminder
Tamlin may have slut shamed Feyre for sleeping with Rhys, but the entire Court of Dreams shamed Nesta in ACoFaS. Even though a good part of it was just Feysand smut. And, Cassian kept going after her even after she rejected him, because he apparently can’t take a no ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
OG post by @azrielsbxtch
““Kings and lords come and go and leave nothing but statues in a desert, while a couple of young men tinkering in a workshop change the way the world works.””— Lord Havelock Vetinari, The Truth, Discworld book 25
“Only Ron’s dog was watching William. He considered that it had, for a dog, a very offensive and knowing look. A Couple of months ago someaone had tried to hand William the old story about there being a dog in the city that could talk. William had explained that it was an urban myth. It was always a friend of a friend who had heard it talk, and it was never anyone who had seen the dog. The dog in front of William didn’t look as if it could talk, but it DID look as if it would swear.”
Terry Pratchett - The Truth
“What was once considered impossible is now quite easily achieved. Kings and lords come and go and leave nothing but statues in a desert, while a couple of young men tinkering in a workshop change the way the world works.”
Terry Pratchett - The Truth
“DO NOT PUT ALL YOUR TRUST IN ROOT VEGETABLES. WHAT THINGS SEEM TO BE MAY NOT BE WHAT THEY ARE.”
Terry Pratchett - The Truth
“Mrs. Tilly, I think you wrote a lovely well-spelled and grammatical letter to us suggesting that everyone under the age of eighteen shoulqd be flogged once a week to stop them being so noisy?’ ’
Once a day, Mr de Worde,’ said Mrs. Tilly. ‘That’ll teach ‘em to go around being young!”
- Terry Pratchett - The Truth
“And something that distinguishes the Mr Windlings of the universe is the term ‘in my humble opinion’, which they think adds weight to their statements rather than indicating, in reality, 'these are the mean little views of someone with the social grace of duckweed’.”
- Terry Pratchett - The Truth
