some people really go out of their way to argue on a post that their ship is better. what do you want? my validation? no i don’t care if peanut butter symbolizes world peace and chocolate serves as an emblem of toxicity; stay in your own fucking lane. i’m just trying to enjoy this fictional universe. no you did not reply to my post to communicate, you purposely went there to prove a point, and guess what? argue with the fucking wall.
Okay, so LOTS of controversial talk here so I’ll break it down:
She’s still adorable, but somehow went from Disney Princess to Hilary Clinton wannabe
Major concerns of her color scheme washing out the rest of the main cast now that she’s resembling a certain someone.
Surname change is a warning for threats of mainstream influence?
Is A24 behind this???
So I’m still loving the hair, this hairstyle has actually already made an appearance in the pilot once on Charlie, with the exception of two, instead of three, hair bands now being used—and we also get to enjoy that ‘Princess Jasmine’ feel
Eye Color
Good news: She appears to stand more apart from her parents now.
Bad news: She blends in more with the rest of the demons in hell, and her more humane character is no longer emphasized.
As you can see, her new lenses are designed to be introverted to those of her full demonic form. While it makes perfect sense, unfortunately, angry Charlie will not have its full potential of visual effect with such a small contrast between the two ‘differential’ appearances now ♀️
Outfit
Now, someone brought up a very interesting point how this choice of fashion could have brought a character arc if Charlie’s style had slowly evolved through out the progressing show of how Alastor was beginning to rub off on her. I’m not going to lie, I would have like to see that, but it’s been announced this is her new design.
If, I’m being honest here, though, I really do enjoy Vivzie’s unique and colorful backdrops and style for Hazbin Hotel, but all of her character’s very similar aesthetics have always bugged me a little, with Alastor’s bold choice of attire always standing out as an exception………though that does not seem to be the case anymore, which is pretty disappointing. If Alastor did not exist (Hell forbid), fine whatever, I probably wouldn’t mind her new look so much.
But. He. D O E S.
(She’s draining the death out of the poor lad, my poor baby T-T)
Here, we now can tell Charlie has gained a piercing, red glowing gaze, a long collar that reaches her chin, old fashioned shoulder pads, and a bright, matching, blood red suit….not at all familiar (that untucked shirt tho….for the love of Satan pls tuck it in I-I can’t—). Not only is her new look going to take away her own originality, but sadly, Alastor’s as well. Just walking into the same room as him is going to give the viewers epilepsy.
In her first official design, Charlie’s coral-colored blazer captured her bubbly persona well and highlighted her blushing cheeks on her cheery expressions, while her black slacks kept her color scheme at bay and provided her outfit with the necessary accent for an adorably butch touch. While her before and after are both business savvy, she now appears much more professional and mature in her relaxed, yet composed, position than she really is.
As for CharlieMorningstar….. ᴿᴱᴬᴸᴸᵞ?
Like if Vivzie didn’t like her old surname, fine, whatever, but…..wow, okay. Lucifer Magne, and Charlie Magne, were both simple, yet classy, titles. Magne translates to Norse meaning all mightyorwarrior.Morningstar is the Latin translation for Lucifer. So, yes, in a nutshell, Lucifer’s full name is going to mean ‘Morningstar Morningstar.’ Charlie Morningstar, will now be tied closer to her father’s reputation, both literally and figuratively.
Вυт wнy Мornιngѕтar?
This is the exact same name belonging to Lucifer Morningstar in the hit series Lucifer on Netflix. We see multiple appearances of ‘Lucifer’ in modern religious fiction such as Supernatural,Good Omens, etc etc. but this obviously isn’t a regular fannon thing; this name exclusively belongs to the original Netflix main character of that franchise. So why trade in a perfectly good surname and copy it??
This reason still remains unclear, as this new artwork of Charlie Morningstar was just announced on Twitter mere hours ago. Fans are already speculating that the choice suspiciously sounds like A24, despite Vivzie being quite excited about these new changes for the Princess of Hell.
One theory suggests more popularity for the show by conforming to the bigger public by appealing to the mainstream masses of audience, another claims that forcing Vivzie to change Charlie’s name and design will classify her as a ‘new’ character in copyright complications, this way she will no longer have rights to her if A24 owns the main protagonist of Hazbin Hotel. This would give them more control and rights to the franchise in a way, which would be pretty terrible.
Thankfully, this seems incorrect.
I really do hope that’s the last ‘major’ change though, because the fandom has already taken a huge blow last October when Gabe was outright fired from Alastor’s singing role, and Elsie was replaced for Charlie’s singing as well for more reasons due to claims of ‘contracting’ purposes, which again, were unknown, until I was able to dig up less popular information many are not aware of thanks to @hellozanybouqetshark , tysm for bringing this to my attention!
Edit:
This user claimed A24 was reputable for being very creator friendly, and indeed, that is fortunately correct.
It turns out the real reason the half the main cast was cut— including Michael Kovich (Angel Dust), Gabriel C. Brown (Alastor’s singing VA), Elsie Lovelock (Charlie’s singing VA), Krystal LaPorte (Cherri Bomb), Michelle Marie (Niffty), and Josh Tomar (Tom Trench) —was because Vivziepop actually made another contract with Bento Box Animation around the same time everyone got the slip. BBA is a production company that was bought out by Fox Entertainment in the summer of 2019.
Well, there you have it, she signed through a union agency through Bento Box Animation that may have been mandatory under their terms for contracting. Signing with an agency like the SAG strictly requires companies not to affiliate with non members like indie artists.
Conclusion:
It seems all of Charlie’s changes were strictly Vivzie’s own choice, including her new name Charlie Morningstar, which is sure to capture the attention of future fans from other similar fandoms that include biblical lore, primarily Lucifer,justin time for the upcoming second debut of the Hazbin Hotel series (date unknown).
Vivzie had personally already gotten terrible harassment and threats in emails and DMs, etc. from calls that weren’t her own a couple months ago, so on top of seeing her own cast butchered, she got to be the one to take the heat from thousands of angry rampaging fans just overnight. So, please, even if you hate some changes with a burning passion, or don’t really care, or maybe like it, don’t attack Vivziepop, last year was a nightmare for her :(
3. Nurse Mildred Ratched from Ratched(S2 Release TBD)
4. Sheila from Santa Clarita Diet (Discontinued)
People be too busy all hyped up on Hannibal, Dexter, and Alastor—don’t get me wrong those two are amazing I saved the best for last, but we need more girls in the center like this: relatable, badass, sexy, both crazyorchill.
With bad guys always in the spotlight, the girls are always the pathetic damsels in distress that you know will get killed off the minute they are on screen, or they end up being the annoying petty bitch that you WISH would get killed off.
Like, yeah, I know we got films like Cruella,Maleficent 1 & 2, Birds of Prey, and whatnot, but I’m talking about more full on series that aren’t always discontinued the few times they are made.
The final flag from the Tumblr Fandom Games Project aka the annoying blue posters from the Summer. Find other versions,credits, and other cool stuff here.
I was thinking earlier and you know when you meet someone who likes the same fandom as you and so you start talking about it? One question that may come up is “Who’s your favorite character?” But in the Doctor Who fandom, that question never gets asked; it’s just “Who’s your favorite companion?” or “Who’s your favorite doctor?”
I guess I feel like, even though it’s hypocritical of me, I have to say something.
I’ve fallen down a rabbit hole lately with a band I very much love and admire and their members’ romantic relationships. Healthy relationships, dysfunctional relationships, quiet relationships, angry exes lashing out because of failed relationships, and even speculative relationships within the band. (Go ahead, fucking guess who.) I hit a wall today, though, after finding an old live journal post with links to at least two dozen short YouTube clips as this user’s evidence for their master post, and I realized a few things.
Who fucking knows. Like really, who knows? They do, and that’s for them to know and us to stfu about. Not speculate about — shut the fuck up about.
“Famous” people don’t get to have relationships like we do. So yes, maybe they make decisions that we say to ourselves/each other: “I would never do that,” or “What were they thinking?!” or EVEN “How wholesome.” They do what they can to make things work in their world, and when things don’t work, we can’t really judge, because it’s pretty much impossible for us to empathize. Even when things do work, we can’t usually relate.
They’re people too. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read about people who supposedly stan certain entertainers drag them/their (former) partners through the mud for doing things we’ve all done. Imagine your worst moments. Now imagine your worst moments being thrown in your face over and over for years by not only the people who hate you, but who claim to love you, on a global scale!
Some entertainers don’t know how to handle things the way the average person does, because they’re not the average person. Maybe they got famous too young or too fast. Maybe they never got to date because instead of working some shit job or going to college, they were touring the country. Or maybe romantic love is not their priority. Whatever the situation, maybe when love does comes their way, they don’t know how to handle it.
We, as fans, shouldn’t let these things change our opinions of them. Unless it’s something terrible, like convicted or blatant assault.
We should stop digging for this shit. If they want to give us a view into their private lives, that’s cool, but it’s more likely than not just a teeny tiny window, not an entire glass house. If they don’t want to give you shit, then they don’t want to give you shit. That’s cool, too. The important thing is to let entertainers entertain you and end it there.
I hate making posts like this one. I feel mean and like I’m being overly aggressive. Denying other people a good time.
But I really feel like I have to say something in this case. So lets talk about the hongi/honi, and fandom culture (particularly shipping culture).
(Image description: Pictured above is a still from James Cameron’s Avatar where two aliens are leaning in to press their noses and foreheads together. Bellow it is a photo of a Maori person and a white person engaging in a Hongi with their foreheads and noses pressed together.)
Said Hongi in New Zealand, and Honi in Hawai’i, the custom of pressing ones forehead and nose to that of another person is a traditional greeting.
It’s used widely in New Zealand in all situations. From formal events at parliament, graduation, a gathering at a marae (meetinghouse). To casual situations like visiting ones uncles, aunties, and couzies. Or welcoming an interviewee on a midday TV show.
A Hongi represents equality, trust, the sharing of ha (breath of life), the sharing of communal responsibilities and duties, belonging, respect, and conveys a welcoming spirit.
It’s considered to be somewhat like a handshake, and often accompanies a handshake. The one thing it doesn’t imply? Romance between the participants.
Except with the greater visibility of Pasifika culture late last year and early this year (2016-2017), fandoms have been picking up on the Hongi. But the problem is I’m only seeing it depicted in ship art.
This is harmful. It’s appropriating, and divorcing it from it’s true cultural function. And it’s creating some awkward associations for people trying to participate naturally in their cultural customs. Yes a fan artist might think “It’s just one picture.” But their one picture is one of many that are having the effect of misrepresenting and fetashizing the Hongi for use as ship fuel.
And in fact, this colonization has been in effect longer than one might think. Consider that the Honi is often translated or explained as “The Hawaiian kiss.”
So this is just a request to fan artist, to be careful, and to practice cultural sensitivity.
